Who IS "The Only TRUE God"- as Jesus put it?

[abysslightdarkness]

dear friends
Compliments of the day.

smokydot no wonder he is called that and no wonder he can't see anything factual

he is simply lack of calibre to comprehend the very basic of baptism
Mark(48-55) 1:8
Lk(57-62) 3:16
Mt(65-70) 3:11
Jhn(90-100) 1:33
Acts(62-63) 1:5
The above Baptism verses are the example of trinity fraud ;none of the early gospels had ever baptized by the trinity formula ; the holy spirit ,father and the son.
Do they show trinity here ? if you say

As far as the Trinity, the doctrine originated with Jesus.

If three witness not referred to the doctrine of Baptismal ,smoky dot then tell me what 3 witnesses referred to ? you should know the "real" answer then.

3 Witness is only the name to referred the fraud doctrine of the Baptismal

Please do your research carefully

They love the lie, and do not love God's truth which they reject, so God punishes them by giving them what they want and deserve --the lie.

If that is How your YHWH educate those people then YHWH is no difference with the deceiving satan and those people who lie. Hence , your YHWH cannot be a GOD i thank you


can see your rebuttals are very shallow ,i know exactly your standard of your understanding. from your rebuttals i know exactly how much you know.... really not much. many very refutable areas

what is temptation ? please read further after James 1:13-16 they will tell you

it is a lot to do with the mind and god was tempted referred to my references

those verses are so clear you seem too smoky to see it unfortunately your smoke don't work for me

I'm not done yet ,you will taste meaning of evil from your own YHWH

 

[sojourner]

They love the lie, and do not love God's truth which they reject, so God punishes them by giving them what they want and deserve --the lie.

I think what Paul is saying is, "be careful what you ask for." It really doesn't have anything to do with God punishing. It's simply a judgment upon truthlessness.

 

[sojourner]

Please don't insult your own intelligence ,if you have any to begin with
i would have say "ME" Right ? DUMM wit.

please read and not jump to conclusion that is why you Fail...and believe those biblical craps


"How well we know ,what profitable superstition this Fable of christ has been for us." Pope Leo X (1513-1521)[/size][/font]

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I'm not the one who said:

I'm not done yet ,you will taste meaning of evil from your own YHWH

Meaning that you're going to bring the evil? Or what, exactly? In what way are you "not done yet?" "Cause I think you've been roasted to a nice turn for a while now.
:sleep:

please read and not jump to conclusion that is why you Fail...and believe those biblical craps

If your posts made sense, then the conclusion would be obvious. As it is...

Additionally, I'm not sure what "biblical craps" you're referring to. I don't believe the ancients shot craps in the Bible. They cast lots -- but that's something else entirely.

 

[sojourner]

BTW:
The whole reference to Jesus baptizing is a baptism with fire. Since the statement is obviously metaphorical and not a reference to an actual water baptism, the Trinitarian formula wouldn't be present, would it!

 

[abysslightdarkness]

Gen 3:1 -- The serpent was Satan in disguise, whom God did not create evil. . .that was Satan's own doing.
Jdg 9:23 -- The text says God sent an evil spirit, not that he created it.
Job 42:11 -- The word used here is ra, which means disaster. God brought disasters on Job to test his faith, which God sometimes tests. The text says nothing about God creating evil.
Eze 20:25 -- The word used here is mishpat, which means judgments. God sent his punishments (judgments) on their sin. The text says nothing about God creating evil.
Amos 3:6 -- The word here is ra, as in Job 42:11 above. God sends disasters in judgment. The text says nothing about God creating evil.

please see Gen 1:1 and Isa 45:7
and ask yourself, is evil mind is in the universe or out ? if in ,YHWH must have created it ,if out ,evil don't exists.
Hence , evil is god creation

 

[abysslightdarkness]

Meaning that you're going to bring the evil? Or what, exactly? In what way are you "not done yet?" "Cause I think you've been roasted to a nice turn for a while now.

YOU are wrong

 

[abysslightdarkness]

BTW:
The whole reference to Jesus baptizing is a baptism with fire. Since the statement is obviously metaphorical and not a reference to an actual water baptism, the Trinitarian formula wouldn't be present, would it!

what makes you thinks that they are metaphoric from where you deduce ?

you such a waste of time

hence from the all above posts these still stand tall
f not then why the church confessed the trinity(Three Witness) Matt 28:19 is created.

"Let us examine the facts of the case. The silence of the great and voluminous St Augustine, are admitted facts that militate against the canonicity of the Three Witness, St. Jerome does not seem to know the text. the disputed part does not fond in any manuscripts until 12th century. The Council of Trent is the first certain ecumenical decree, whereby the church established the Canon of Scripture. We cannot say that the Decree of Trent necessarily included the Three Witnesses. Neither condition has yet been verified with certainty;quite the contrary, textual criticism seems to indicate that the Comma Johanninum was not at all times and everywhere want to be read in the Catholic Church, and it is not contained in the Old Latin Vulgate." (Catholic Encyclopedia Vol. 8 pg. 436)



Mark(48-55) 1:8
Lk(57-62) 3:16
Mt(65-70) 3:11
Jhn(90-100) 1:33
Acts(62-63) 1:5

The above Baptism verses are the example of trinity fraud ;none of the early gospels had ever baptized by the trinity formula ; the holy spirit ,father and the son.


YHWH can be tempted

DEU 6:16, Ye shall not tempt the LORD your God, as ye tempted him in Massah.

JOB 2:3, And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? and still he holdeth fast his integrity, although thou movedst me against him, to destroy him without cause.

ACT 15:10, Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?
[SEE ALSO: EXO 17:2; MAL 3:15; MAT 4:7]

plus the temptation story of Jesus already shows very explicitly that Jesus is not perfect.
PLease do compare with James 1:13 (Codex Sinacticus)

Jesus is not god

ISA 43:10, Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

MAR 6:1, And he went out from thence, and came into his own country; and his disciples follow him. ... 5 And he could there do no mighty work, save that he laid his hands upon a few sick folk, and healed them.

MAR 10:18, And Jesus said unto him,Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.

JOH 14:28, Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

JOH 20:17, Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

1COR 15:25, For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. ... 28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

COL 3:1, If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.

1TIM 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

[SEE ALSO: ISA 45:5; MAT 20:23, 24:36, 27:46; MAR 16:19; LUK 2:52; JOH 5:19, 8:28,40, 16:28; ACT 2:22, 13:23, 17:30-31; ROM 1:3; 2TIM 2:8; HEB 1:1-3, 2:9-18; 1PET 3:21-22, REV 22:16.]

YHWH creates evil

ISA 45:7, I form the light, and create darkness; I make peace, and create evil.* I am Jehovah, that doeth all these things.

JER 18:11, *Now therefore go to, speak to the men of Judah, and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem, saying, Thus saith the LORD; Behold, I frame evil against you, and devise a device against you: ....

(SEE ALSO: GEN 3:1; JUDG 9:23; JOB 42:11; JER 18:11; EZE 20:25; AMO 3:6)

YHWH the "Righteous"

NUM 31:17, *Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. 18 *But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

LEV 26:13, I am the LORD your God, ... 16 I also will do this unto you; I will even appoint over you terror, consumption, and the burning ague, that shall consume the eyes, and cause sorrow of heart: and ye shall sow your seed in vain, for your enemies shall eat it. 17 And I will set my face against you, and ye shall be slain before your enemies: they that hate you shall reign over you; and ye shall flee when none pursueth you. 18 And if ye will not yet for all this hearken unto me, then I will punish you seven times more for your sins.

[SEE ALSO: LEV 26:7-8; NUM 5:1-3; DEU 20:16-17; JOS 10:40; JUDG 14:19; EZE 9:5-7]

Jesus not Omniscient

MAR 13:32, But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.

LUK 8:45, And Jesus said, Who touched me? When all denied, Peter and they that were with him said, Master, the multitude throng thee and press thee, and sayest thou, Who touched me?

JOH 11:33, When Jesus therefore saw her weeping, and the Jews also weeping which came with her, he groaned in the spirit, and was troubled, 34 And said, Where have ye laid him? They said unto him, Lord, come and see.


With the verses above ,they show that Jesus and YHWH both aren't fit to become a god even ,let alone in trinity with something like a god. worse still see below

2 Thessalonians 2:11-12
God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned. God will cause us to believe lies so that he can damn us to hell.

Dearest readers ,armed with all the above mentioned verses please be still and think for a while can they be god ? even if they want to…. absolutely not.

warmest regards
thanks for reading

"How well we know ,what profitable superstition this Fable of christ has been for us." Pope Leo X (1513-1521)

 

[sojourner]

YOU are wrong

'K...

then 'splain yourself...

 

[sojourner]

what makes you thinks that they are metaphoric from where you deduce ?

Sooo...
Jesus is literally going to take a match and set fire to folks???

f not then why the church confessed the trinity(Three Witness) Matt 28:19 is created.

Asked and answered...

Mark(48-55) 1:8
Lk(57-62) 3:16
Mt(65-70) 3:11
Jhn(90-100) 1:33
Acts(62-63) 1:5

The above Baptism verses are the example of trinity fraud ;none of the early gospels had ever baptized by the trinity formula ; the holy spirit ,father and the son.


YHWH can be tempted

DEU 6:16, Ye shall not tempt the LORD your God, as ye tempted him in Massah.

JOB 2:3, And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? and still he holdeth fast his integrity, although thou movedst me against him, to destroy him without cause.

ACT 15:10, Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?
[SEE ALSO: EXO 17:2; MAL 3:15; MAT 4:7]

plus the temptation story of Jesus already shows very explicitly that Jesus is not perfect.
PLease do compare with James 1:13 (Codex Sinacticus)

Jesus is not god

ISA 43:10, Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

MAR 6:1, And he went out from thence, and came into his own country; and his disciples follow him. ... 5 And he could there do no mighty work, save that he laid his hands upon a few sick folk, and healed them.

MAR 10:18, And Jesus said unto him,Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.

JOH 14:28, Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

JOH 20:17, Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

1COR 15:25, For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. ... 28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

COL 3:1, If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.

1TIM 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

[SEE ALSO: ISA 45:5; MAT 20:23, 24:36, 27:46; MAR 16:19; LUK 2:52; JOH 5:19, 8:28,40, 16:28; ACT 2:22, 13:23, 17:30-31; ROM 1:3; 2TIM 2:8; HEB 1:1-3, 2:9-18; 1PET 3:21-22, REV 22:16.]

YHWH creates evil

ISA 45:7, I form the light, and create darkness; I make peace, and create evil.* I am Jehovah, that doeth all these things.

JER 18:11, *Now therefore go to, speak to the men of Judah, and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem, saying, Thus saith the LORD; Behold, I frame evil against you, and devise a device against you: ....

(SEE ALSO: GEN 3:1; JUDG 9:23; JOB 42:11; JER 18:11; EZE 20:25; AMO 3:6)

YHWH the "Righteous"

NUM 31:17, *Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. 18 *But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

LEV 26:13, I am the LORD your God, ... 16 I also will do this unto you; I will even appoint over you terror, consumption, and the burning ague, that shall consume the eyes, and cause sorrow of heart: and ye shall sow your seed in vain, for your enemies shall eat it. 17 And I will set my face against you, and ye shall be slain before your enemies: they that hate you shall reign over you; and ye shall flee when none pursueth you. 18 And if ye will not yet for all this hearken unto me, then I will punish you seven times more for your sins.

[SEE ALSO: LEV 26:7-8; NUM 5:1-3; DEU 20:16-17; JOS 10:40; JUDG 14:19; EZE 9:5-7]

Jesus not Omniscient

MAR 13:32, But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.

LUK 8:45, And Jesus said, Who touched me? When all denied, Peter and they that were with him said, Master, the multitude throng thee and press thee, and sayest thou, Who touched me?

JOH 11:33, When Jesus therefore saw her weeping, and the Jews also weeping which came with her, he groaned in the spirit, and was troubled, 34 And said, Where have ye laid him? They said unto him, Lord, come and see.


With the verses above ,they show that Jesus and YHWH both aren't fit to become a god even ,let alone in trinity with something like a god. worse still see below

2 Thessalonians 2:11-12
God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned. God will cause us to believe lies so that he can damn us to hell.

Asked and answered.

 

[smokydot]

Well its not in your bible!
But yes he did say this.

If it's not in the Bible, how can I know he said it? Where would I find that he said God was in the rock.
Do I have to smoke what you smoke to know it?

But we are created in God's image. Do you argue this point?
If we are apart of gods image than we are what makes up the great divine.
That means you are apart of god and that is why we are so connected.

Since God is spirit and is not physical, the text is not referring to a material image.
To be created in God's image includes
righteousness, holiness (Eph 4:24).
knowledge of God (Col 3:10),
truth, goodness, freedom, wisdom,
dominion (over the earth).
That image was seriously damaged in the fall.

We are not "part of what makes up the great divine." We are an image, a reflection of "the great divine."
Nor are we "a part of God" until we are born again through faith in Jesus Christ. No one is a part of God apart from faith in Jesus Christ.

That also means that Jesus is apart of gods embodiment and everything else.

Jesus is not divine by extension through image. Jesus is divine by the Father being his progenitor.

You have read the scriptures from above, and people ask sojourn what the point is. If you have to ask than you are too ignorent to follow.

Careful there, lad.

 

[smokydot]

These are the secret sayings that the living Jesus spoke and Didymos Judas Thomas recorded.
His disciples said to him, "When will the kingdom come?"
"It will not come by watching for it. It will not be said, 'Look, here!' or 'Look, there!' Rather, the Father's kingdom is spread out upon the earth, and people don't see it."
Jesus said, "If your leaders say to you, 'Look, the (Father's) kingdom is in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you. If they say to you, 'It is in the sea,' then the fish will precede you. Rather, the (Father's) kingdom is within you and it is outside you.
Would you like me to share more?

Well, actually my faith is in the Scriptures of the Protestant canon.
These don't sound like they, and so I really wouldn't be interested.
But thanks anyway.

 

[smokydot]

dear friends
Compliments of the day.
smokydot no wonder he is called that and no wonder he can't see anything factual
he is simply lack of calibre to comprehend the very basic of baptism
Mark(48-55) 1:8
Lk(57-62) 3:16
Mt(65-70) 3:11
Jhn(90-100) 1:33
Acts(62-63) 1:5
The above Baptism verses are the example of trinity fraud ;none of the early gospels had ever baptized by the trinity formula ; the holy spirit ,father and the son.
Do they show trinity here ?

These were not baptisms into Jesus Christ (Ro 6:3) They are John's baptism which predates baptism into Jesus Christ.

If three witness not referred to the doctrine of Baptismal ,smoky dot then tell me what 3 witnesses referred to ? you should know the "real" answer then.
3 Witness is only the name to referred the fraud doctrine of the Baptismal
Please do your research carefully

Okay, I assume you are talking about this translation of 1 Jn 5:7:
"For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."
My Bible has another translation regarding the three witnesses, and it does not involve the Trinity, so I am not familiar with the above translation,
if it is to what you are referring.

can see your rebuttals are very shallow ,i know exactly your standard of your understanding. from your rebuttals i know exactly how much you know.... really not much. many very refutable areas
what is temptation ? please read further after James 1:13-16 they will tell you
it is a lot to do with the mind and god was tempted referred to my references
those verses are so clear you seem too smoky to see it unfortunately your smoke don't work for me.

The only smoke here is the smoke of the grid through which you interpret the NT.

may i ask which mind is stronger the human one or the divine one ? seems like the answer still lies in my biblical references. my references showed that JESUS the divine mind is not as strong as the his human one. hence jesus is not a god.
when its time to refer & pertains to godly characteristics ,Jesus must manifest them but he didn't examples the temptations and Mk 13:32 hence he is not OMNI- whatever
I'm not done yet ,you will taste meaning of evil from your own YHWH
please do more research before your taste more....you know what...
happy reading
warmest regards

Is English a second language for you?

 

[smokydot]

I think what Paul is saying is, "be careful what you ask for." It really doesn't have anything to do with God punishing. It's simply a judgment upon truthlessness.

Do you know of any judgments that wouldn't be called punishments?

 

[smokydot]

please see Gen 1:1 and Isa 45:7
and ask yourself, is evil mind is in the universe or out ? if in ,YHWH must have created it ,if out ,evil don't exists.
Hence , evil is god creation

You can't blame evil on God. He didn't force anyone to do evil. They did it by their own choice. . .from Satan to all his ilk.

 

[sojourner]

Do you know of any judgments that wouldn't be called punishments?

Well, sure. God judged Nineveh, but God didn't punish Nineveh.

 

[sojourner]

Well, actually my faith is in the Scriptures of the Protestant canon.
These don't sound like they, and so I really wouldn't be interested.
But thanks anyway.

This is from the gospel of Thomas -- an interesting text, often used to determine the authenticity of other texts, as it has much in common with Q. Its use here is not cogent to his argument, because the Thomas community were likely not in on the Trinitarian argument.

 

[watcher102]

If "god" to you is the one and only El, Yah, then no I agree he wouldn't dirty himself in any nasty bodies as ours and quite frankly, why would he need to? In any case, if we are looking at part of what we call Elohim, being as many put it as "godhead", where the malach/spirit/angel/ruach ha chodesh are a part of, then yes they can, have and do possess anyone for the pupose of Yah's will. As I understand it.

DIRTY HIMSELF WITH ANY NASTY BODIES! If what is to be taken here from what is read, we are part of gods body. Created in his image. You have been mislead in your perceptions.

 

[watcher102]

If it's not in the Bible, how can I know he said it? Where would I find that he said God was in the rock.
Do I have to smoke what you smoke to know it?
Since God is spirit and is not physical, the text is not referring to a material image.
To be created in God's image includes
righteousness, holiness (Eph 4:24).
knowledge of God (Col 3:10),
truth, goodness, freedom, wisdom,
dominion (over the earth).
That image was seriously damaged in the fall.



We are not "part of what makes up the great divine." We are an image, a reflection of "the great divine."
Nor are we "a part of God" until we are born again through faith in Jesus Christ. No one is a part of God apart from faith in Jesus Christ.
Jesus is not divine by extension through image. Jesus is divine by the Father being his progenitor. Careful there, lad.

If it will get you to lighten up and read more like the next post explaining this in detail where I got it from them yeah maybe you should. Try Camel 99's.

 

[watcher102]

This is from the gospel of Thomas -- an interesting text, often used to determine the authenticity of other texts, as it has much in common with Q. Its use here is not cogent to his argument, because the Thomas community were likely not in on the Trinitarian argument.

This has to do with Jesus being god, so it has everything to do with this thread. It pretty much and so does Gensis says that we are created in God's image. Why is it so hard for people to discuss or debate instead of run around the subject?

 

[watcher102]

If it's not in the Bible, how can I know he said it? Where would I find that he said God was in the rock.
Do I have to smoke what you smoke to know it?
Since God is spirit and is not physical, the text is not referring to a material image.
To be created in God's image includes
righteousness, holiness (Eph 4:24).
knowledge of God (Col 3:10),
truth, goodness, freedom, wisdom,
dominion (over the earth).
That image was seriously damaged in the fall.

We are not "part of what makes up the great divine." We are an image, a reflection of "the great divine."
Nor are we "a part of God" until we are born again through faith in Jesus Christ. No one is a part of God apart from faith in Jesus Christ.
Jesus is not divine by extension through image. Jesus is divine by the Father being his progenitor. Careful there, lad.

Since when did it say that god is only to be considered a spiritual thing? Where in the bible or any context does it claim god is other than apart of everything>?