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Featured Who epitomizes the "blind leading the blind"?

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by 2ndpillar, Mar 27, 2020.

  1. 2ndpillar

    2ndpillar Well-Known Member

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    The general notion of the blind leading the blind is someone, not knowing what they are talking about, leading the many. The "many", such as the "many" of Matthew 7:13-15 being led to "destruction" by the "false prophet". Now who was blinded by a supposed angel of light, which apparently according to Paul, is often the appearance of Satan, and has gone onto be the spiritual leader of approximately 2 billion "Christians"? Tell me that Paul, blinded by an angel of light, is not the false prophet of Matthew 7:15, and is leading the "many" to "destruction".
     
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    Nowhere Man Bompu Zen Man with a little bit of Bushido.

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    I take that even the blind will eventually see the light. When they fall down into a biggg hole.
     
  3. columbus

    columbus Conservative Catholic from Hell

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    I don't believe it was just Paul. He definitely did this.
    But so did the other gospel authors.

    Paul didn't invent all of his teachings.
    Tom
     
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    I'd suspect anyone claiming not to be blind. Man is blind when it comes to God. Fear those that claim they can see.
     
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    It seems to me the 7th Adventist church is a pretty good example. Biblical literalism is blindness.
     
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    I don’t see any reason to believe that he is leading people to destruction.
     
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    Among others; it's the pharisees (Matthew 15:1-4) and those who try to mix Christianity with the leaven -doctrine- of the pharisees; (Matthew 16:6-12) which the likes of Paul always opposed. (Galatians 2:4) Because he knew it was spiritual adultery and cheating on Jesus Christ. (2 Corinthians 11:2)
     
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    The bad news is that Paul claimed to be a Pharisee of Pharisees, but on the other hand a Gentile to Gentiles. Let me see here, the term leaven refers to the hypocrisy of the Pharisees, and either Paul is being double minded or a hypocrite, or most likely both. And of course Paul claims a lot of things.
     
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    They by no means have a monopoly...
     
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    I seem to remember that Balaam tried to lead Israel to destruction by enticing them to eat food sacrificed to the gods, somewhat on the order of Paul saying there are no gods, so why not eat the food that had been sacrificed to the non gods. Of course the caveat seemed to be you must have understanding and greater faith than the lowly peons.
     
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    Apparently the author of Luke, and others, unlike Paul, didn't claim to speak for God (Luke 1:1-3), that was attributed by the daughters of Babylon. On the other hand, Mohamed is a supposed prophet to 1.9 billion Muslims, just slightly fewer at the moment that the number of followers of Paul. They both had their encounters with an angel of light. And the followers of both seemed on the wide twisted path to destruction.
     
  12. columbus

    columbus Conservative Catholic from Hell

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    Wut?

    The Christians I am familiar with consistently claim that the Gospels are divinely inspired truth. Maybe you mean something different, it's hard to tell what a religionist means by vague assertions like this.
    Tom
     
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    The main point of this expression is to encourage us to be forever vigilant against our own blindness. Thinking it is a license to look for the blindness in others is actually contrary to it.
     
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    Luke doesn't claim he was "divinely inspired". He claims in Luke 1:3 that he just wrote down stories as told to him by sources he didn't specifically identify. The "Christians" you are "familiar with", probably think that Luke was an associate of Paul, and therefore Paul was probably a probable source for Luke, and they probably think that Luke wrote Acts. Their beliefs are speculation most probably based on their indoctrination by the daughters of Babylon (their churches).
    Their "divinely inspired" reference probably comes from a letter written by Paul to Timothy, whereas Paul was actually speaking about the writings he had from youth, which would be a referral to the old testament writings and not the uncompiled and mostly unwritten NT writings Calling something "holy"/divinely inspired without proper investigation is known as a snare, which will often catch someone and take them were they would rather not be. What false prophets claim, or even their followers claim, has to be taken with a grain of salt. The blind following the blind generally winds up with both parties falling into a hole.(Mt 15:14)

    New American Standard Bible Proverbs 20:25
    It is a trap for a man to say rashly, "It is holy!" And after the vows to make inquiry.

    Matthew 15:14 Leave them; they are blind guides. If the blind lead the blind, both will fall into a pit."
     
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    I think Yeshua brought it into better perspective then your own view. His message was first take the log out of your own eye before trying to take the splinter out of your neighbors eye.
     
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    I would presume that one should fear God, not men, especially those who profess to speak for God, and who appoint teachers to teach men to not fear God. While the false prophet apparently has the power to deceive, the time for his unclean spirit seems to be soon coming to an end (Rev 19:20-21).


    Mt 10: 26“Therefore do not fear them, for there is nothing concealed that will not be revealed, or hidden that will not be known. 27“What I tell you in the darkness, speak in the light; and what you hear whispered in your ear, proclaim upon the housetops. 28“Do not fear those who kill the body but are unable to kill the soul; but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
     
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    Please show the scripture so that we can see accurately what did he really say?
     
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    If that is indeed what Jesus of Nazareth said. You are actually misinterpreting what he is saying. When he says to remove the beam from your own eye first before trying to remove from another, that is like saying to not try to ever do that at all, since no one can ever fully remove the beam from their own eye. Which would be in harmony with when he purportedly said to “not judge, lest ye be judged.”
     
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    He alone is attributed with creating christianity.


    you can't count lost sheep as new, but what is old can be renewed again with a little polish. fashion never goes out of style sufi boy


     
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    columbus Conservative Catholic from Hell

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    No, you're missing my point.
    Christians commonly base their beliefs and worldview upon the assumption that the literature canonized in the Bible is "divinely inspired", and therefore true. This despite the fact that much of the Bible is extremely implausible and unevidenced. From Genesis to Revelation, from the crossing of the Red Sea to The Resurrection, all sorts of stuff is believed to be true because the Bible is divinely inspired and not because there's strong evidence consistent with the claim.

    For example:
    The assumption that Scripture is accurate is the sort of thing I'm talking about. I don't mean to pick on 1213, I see this sort of thing all over the place, from YEC creationism to "The Second Coming of Jesus" is just around the corner.
    Tom
     
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