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Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by the right way, Nov 2, 2018.

  1. because enjoy live

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  2. because learning more of life

    2 vote(s)
  3. because we are getting a chance to be a good human

    4 vote(s)
  1. Unveiled Artist

    Unveiled Artist Veteran Member

    Oct 31, 2014
    No reason. What can growing old teach you about life?
  2. Deeje

    Deeje Avid Bible Student
    Premium Member

    Jun 20, 2009
    Christian JW
    Is that what God told Adam? Where is there mention of a continuation of life for Adam at all? He was sentenced to death, nothing more. It was the adversary who suggested that they wouldn't really die....so who lied? God or the serpent?

    In the Bible, a "soul" is a living, breathing creature, either man or animal. A living soul breathes....a dead soul does not. There is no such thing as an immortal soul. It is not a Bible teaching. (Ezekiel 18:4) There is not a single verse in the Bible where these two words appear side by side. Immortality is only possible for spirit creatures. A "soul" is never once presented as being 'disembodied'.

    "As they were going along the road, someone said to him, “I will follow you wherever you go.” And Jesus said to him, “Foxes have holes, and birds of the air have nests; but the Son of Man has nowhere to lay his head.” To another he said, “Follow me.” But he said, “Lord, first let me go and bury my father.” But Jesus said to him, “Let the dead bury their own dead; but as for you, go and proclaim the kingdom of God.” Another said, “I will follow you, Lord; but let me first say farewell to those at my home.” Jesus said to him, “No one who puts a hand to the plow and looks back is fit for the kingdom of God.” (Luke 9:57-62 - NRSV)

    Yes, the spiritually dead could bury the physically dead....but the admonition to the man was to "go and proclaim the Kingdom of God". That was given as a priority. Looking forward, not back moves us to serve God in whatever way we can.

    It is death itself that is described as "sleep". When Jesus heard that his friend Lazarus was ill, he decided to wait for days before journeying there. He deliberately waited for Lazarus to die but told his disciples that he was just sleeping and that he was going to wake him up. (John 11:11-14) There was no conscious part of Lazarus that had left his body and gone anywhere. That was not a Jewish belief when Solomon wrote in Ecclesiastes 9:5-6; 10.....

    "The living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing; they have no more reward, and even the memory of them is lost. Their love and their hate and their envy have already perished; never again will they have any share in all that happens under the sun.......Whatever your hand finds to do, do with your might; for there is no work or thought or knowledge or wisdom in Sheol, to which you are going." (NRSV) (Sheol is the grave.)

    You cannot "know" anything when you are dead because all conscious processes cease at death.

    As I read this verse, there is a clear contrast between life and death. These are the only choices we have.
    Those who "believe" or more correctly those who "exercise faith" (not just a passive belief but an active faith that moves one to action) are guaranteed life, but those who do not have an active faith or who do not believe, will "perish". It's a simple equation. Why is it so hard to understand?
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    URAVIP2ME Veteran Member

    Aug 17, 2009
    How could Adam's soul return to God when before Adam came to be a living soul ( Genesis 2:7 ) Adam was Not a living soul. At death Adam became a dead soul, after all, Ezekiel 18:4,20 says the soul that sins dies.
    Adam made himself into a sinning soul, thus Adam ( All of Adam ) died and returned to dust.
    Adam died his spiritual death the day he sinned. Later his physical death.

    Believes in Jesus shall not perish because of the resurrection hope - Revelation 1:18.
    Eternal life is granted ' after ' resurrection. Daniel 12:13 looked forward to a future resurrection.
    That is why Acts of the Apostles 24:15 uses the 'future tense' that there 'will be' a resurrection....
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  4. viole

    viole Metaphysical Naturalist
    Premium Member

    Mar 19, 2014
    Gnostic Atheism
    I am not sure where the question is, but I guess you are looking for a reason why things are renewed in an apparently pointless cycle.

    Well, there is no reason. Everything is ultimately pointless. We are here just because we have been succesfully spreading our genes, so our reason to be here is the same reason intestinal bacteria are here.


    - viole