White supremacist attends Bernie rally, brings swastika

[Revoltingest]

No, they're exactly the same thing.

While most socialists wouldn't prefer the economy to be lorded over by a military dictatorship the way the resources were managed was identical. After the wars all of them came back as "National Democratic Parties" or "National Socialist Parties" and their ideas rubbed off on the "Socialists" who idolized these people. Modern politicians didn't like the "nationalism" moniker due to associations with the terrible memories of WW2 and simply re-framed it into "economic" socialism.

So, it's more of a you say tomato I say tomatoe situation rather than a real difference. There are variances in the way the implementation was done at the government level, but if you think it's any different you need some more tape on your egg.

Anytime the government takes over it sucks and it doesn't really matter which term you use for your socialists.

Fans of socialism must deny that the National Socialist party is socialist.
Many posters here won't even admit that N Korea is socialist. They have
this idea that socialism is a utopia, & must employ the no true Scotsman
to keep the belief afloat. So they look to progressive capitalist countries
for examples of "socialism", while simultaniously decrying capitalism..
Nazi Germany was socialist because of government's (ie, the people's)
extensive control over the economy.

 

[Mindmaster]

Fans of socialism must deny that the National Socialist party is socialist.
Many posters here won't even admit that N Korea is socialist. They have
this idea that socialism is a utopia, & must employ the no true Scotsman
to keep the belief afloat. So they look to progressive capitalist countries
for examples of "socialism", while simultaniously decrying capitalism..
Nazi Germany was socialist because of government's (ie, the people's)
extensive control over the economy.

They're perpetually looking for the re-do, but every time they get one it completely wrecks everything. But, it's all a bait and switch anyway they'll banter about how the elites are taking everything away with one side of their mouth while figuring out how to funnel themselves (the elites, btw) all the resources. All that changes is who are the elites -- instead of it being the folks who work for it, it's the people who sell their soul to a political party with _everything_ that you can imagine that would entail.

Anyway, it's more of a situation of cognitive dissonance than a running no-true Scotsman. You cannot have "for the people", "socialism", and "capitalism" at the same time. You can have any two... Of course, there are many countries (including the USA in some regards) that embrace a few socialistic ideas in regard to things done for the public good. But, the problem you have when politicians who identify as socialists get involved is they unwaveringly want to go "all the way" and not just stop at the "common sense" things.

 

[Revoltingest]

Yes, though the party that started with the Jacksonian Democrats isn't much the same party as the Democrats of today.

Aye, that was me point.

 

[Father Heathen]

Grow up.

Lead by example.

 

[Father Heathen]

Would you like to the wager your mortal soul as to the count of the posts by the left versus the posts made by the right and see who made the most? ;0)

Sure. Start tallying.

 

[Father Heathen]

Ah, the KKK. A legacy of the democratic party

Let's look at who the KKK typically supports and votes for today vs. 100 years ago. Do you really think it's dems who fly confederate flags and revere confederate statues?

 

[SomeRandom]

She really does like it.
But she's playing a part.
It's ak little known fact that the skit was based upon
the Python cast eating Spam for 3 meals a day.

I don’t know, she seems convincing to me.
I thought it was mocking just how prevalent spam was at the time.

 

[fantome profane]

Fans of socialism must deny that the National Socialist party is socialist.
Many posters here won't even admit that N Korea is socialist.

No they don’t need to deny that. Some do, I think that is silly, they don’t need to.

No more than fans of little moustaches need to deny that Hillel had a little moustache. It is not relevant.

The Nazi regime was evil. Not because of socialism. And not because of a silly little moustache. They were evil because they massacred thousands of men, women, and children.

 

[Revoltingest]

I don’t know, she seems convincing to me.
I thought it was mocking just how prevalent spam was at the time.

She's that good an actor.
Imagine the incredible discipline require to pretend to dislike Spam.

 

[Revoltingest]

No they don’t need to deny that. Some do, I think that is silly, they don’t need to.

No more than fans of little moustaches need to deny that Hillel had a little moustache. It is not relevant.

The Nazi regime was evil. Not because of socialism. And not because of a silly little moustache. They were evil because they massacred thousands of men, women, and children.

Hillel?
That was a Jewish social organization at the local university.
I never associated little mustaches with them.
LIve & learn.

 

[Father Heathen]

It's more of a choice of a little poison (socialism), a lot of poison (communism), or the whole bottle (nazi socialism), lol. Whichever you pick you're going to suffer, so does it really matter?

Of course, the differences are merely in the intensity of the implementation. Socialism doesn't necessarily desire to completely control the local economy they just want to tax it to hell so they can quid-pro-quo themselves and their elite friends. Communism just goes to the next step and takes over the means of production and everything else, but again so they can funnel the wealth themselves and their elite friends. Nazi Socialism just goes to the final stage where you can't even own your own mind -- to profit themselves (the party members) and their elite friends. The only difference between communism and Nazi Socialism (as implemented in Germany) as that the Nazi's got to live rent free in your head as well.

A perfect fit as far as I am concerned. A National Socialist at a rally of a Socialist. The nazi's, being true to socialism,enacted many, many socialist policies.

Todays socialist is tomorrows fascist, if they can grab power, and then start grabbing everything else.

Public roads, schools, parks, and libraries today. Death camps tomorrow.

 

[Stevicus]

Fans of socialism must deny that the National Socialist party is socialist.
Many posters here won't even admit that N Korea is socialist. They have
this idea that socialism is a utopia, & must employ the no true Scotsman
to keep the belief afloat. So they look to progressive capitalist countries
for examples of "socialism", while simultaniously decrying capitalism..
Nazi Germany was socialist because of government's (ie, the people's)
extensive control over the economy.

I.G. Farben and the Krupp Works (along with many other companies) were privately owned. The existence of private property disproves the possibility of socialism.

If we define socialism as "government's extensive control over the economy," then any country with any government at all can be defined as "socialist."

 

[Revoltingest]

I.G. Farben and the Krupp Works (along with many other companies) were privately owned. The existence of private property disproves the possibility of socialism.

If we define socialism as "government's extensive control over the economy," then any country with any government at all can be defined as "socialist."

The extent of control matters.
Private ownership can become socialist when government
exercises extensive control over the means of production.
While the Nazis of the 1930s initially lessened socialism by
privatizing some companies, by WW2 it had again become
socialist, eg, the Reichswerke.

We should note that western fans of socialism call countries
like Denmark "socialist", despite the fact that companies are
privately owned. Nazis exerted greater control.

 

[Nakosis]

As if we need more proof that radical right-wingers are trying to turn America into a Fascist nation!

Arizona man described as white supremacist drapes Nazi flag at Sanders rally

By all means, let's give the fellow more attention. Anyone have a link to his Youtube channel.

 

[tytlyf]

Ah, the KKK. A legacy of the democratic party

Yep, conservatives used to vote demoKKKrat in the south. Those southern confederate conservatives still love their confederate flag to this day.

 

[Nakosis]

The extent of control matters.
Private ownership can become socialist when government
exercises extensive control over the means of production.
While the Nazis of the 1930s initially lessened socialism by
privatizing some companies, by WW2 it had again become
socialist, eg, the Reichswerke.

We should note that western fans of socialism call countries
like Denmark "socialist", despite the fact that companies are
privately owned. Nazis exerted greater control.

The "socialist" tends to trust the government over the corporation. Personally I'm of a big fan of either. It seems to be trading one master for another. At least the corporations, however, don't included the enforcement of government.

 

[Revoltingest]

The "socialist" tends to trust the government over the corporation. Personally I'm of a big fan of either. It seems to be trading one master for another. At least the corporations, however, don't included the enforcement of government.

Corporations have much much less power over me.
And there are many of them, so I can pick & choose
which I favor with my business. But government..
.....there is only one fed, & it is powerful.
They can order an individual to join the army, & go
off to die in a useless foreign war. The run the courts.
Local governments can take & keep any money they
catch you with. Now that is real power.

 

[Twilight Hue]

I.G. Farben and the Krupp Works (along with many other companies) were privately owned. The existence of private property disproves the possibility of socialism.

If we define socialism as "government's extensive control over the economy," then any country with any government at all can be defined as "socialist."

Its Its same difference givin how the government controls and uses peoples property like it was its own.

You pay for it, the modern-day socialists dictate what you can and cannot do with it exactly like they own it. That includes private and individual ownership and use.

 

[shmogie]

Yep, conservatives used to vote demoKKKrat in the south. Those southern confederate conservatives still love their confederate flag to this day.

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The world has changed, the dynamics have changed,

No, the democrat KKK members weren't Conservative. For the most part they voted along the democrat party line. Robert Byrd a long time democrat, with a strong liberal voting record, who wielded huge power in the democrat party, died a few years ago.

He had belonged to the KKK

 

[shmogie]

Public roads, schools, parks, and libraries today. Death camps tomorrow.

No, not tomorrow, wait till after November, I will better be able to tell you when, then.