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Which evolved first, the Eustachian tube or the eardrum.

Skwim

Skwim

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FearGod said:
For those who believe in luck and that things may work well without prior plans,
how the ear evolved to perceive the sound waves, was the Eustachian tube first
evolved and then the eardrum next, or was the eardrum first evolved and next
the Eustachian tube, or both happened to evolve together simultaneously during the
process of evolution in the period of millions of years?
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Not carrying much about the evolution of either one as I'm puzzled as to why god gave males these useless things:

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FearGod

FearGod

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Subduction Zone said:
You keep posting "gotcha questions" that only tell us that you have no clue as to what you are debating against. You cannot refute that which you do not understand. And in answer to your question many structures are repurposed through the process of evolution so it does not really matter which one was first. Neither part originally had anything to do with hearing.
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Where's the science in your answer?
 
Windwalker

Windwalker

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ADigitalArtist said:
Eustation tubes are remnants of internal gill structure and existed in vertebrates prior to eardrums.
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I just learned today that hiccups are remnants of gill-breathing from when we were still between water and land. You can see the same thing in tadpoles. So next time you get them, think of your inner fish crawling around in the mud on your fins. :)
 
FearGod

FearGod

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ADigitalArtist said:
They do in fact have inner ears and basal eustation tubes (they aren't used that way), they don't have middle ears, I misspoke.
You can see clearly the development from gills to ears.
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No, I can't see it, it's only an assumption that the opening of the gill evolved to ear later on,
it isn't as simple as you may try to make it to be, the process of evolution took millions of years,
for the ear to work then all elements have to be fixed and to evolve together simultaneously,
to think that the tube was there and then it happened that the eardrum evolved and the malleus
evolved next and all parts were wired then the species that have good ears passed their genetic
code to the next generation, it doesn't make sense.
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
FearGod said:
No, I can't see it, it's only an assumption that the opening of the gill evolved to ear later on,
it isn't as simple as you may try to make it to be, the process of evolution took millions of years,
for the ear to work then all elements have to be fixed and to evolve together simultaneously,
to think that the tube was there and then it happened that the eardrum evolved and the malleus
evolved next and all parts were wired then the species that have good ears passed their genetic
code to the next generation, it doesn't make sense.
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Please, when you make such claims you need to support them with evidence. What evidence do you have that it was an assumption? By making claims that you cannot support you harm your arguments. And you are making the common creationist error of thinking that an ear was some sort of goal. Those various parts did various jobs as the creature evolved. No goal was needed. As the environment changed the use of parts changed. That is shown by how poorly some part of our body are put together. In the giraffe the recurrent laryngeal nerve takes a fifteen foot detour. That makes sense if preexisting parts had to continually change. There is no going back to the beginning in evolution. It makes no sense at all from a creationist point of view.
 
FearGod

FearGod

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QuestioningMind said:
Why would anyone bother to present you with actual science when all of your posts make it clear that you don't have the slightest clue how science works?
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Science needs intelligence, do donkeys understand science.
when one believes that such sophisticated components of the ear
were wired and fixed by the unconscious matter of earth then they
aren't really far different from the donkey's minds.

There's science in how our bodies work, do you think the unconscious matter
of earth understand science and how things can be workable, do all components
evolved altogether and wired by natural events, do you really respect science and
the mind behind science?
 
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