Lol I’ll be young again
You’re making this more complicated than it needs to be
Adam and Eve were created as young adults.
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Lol I’ll be young again
You’re making this more complicated than it needs to be
As Baha’u’llah wrote, Jesus besought the one true God the honor of sacrificing himself as a ransom for the sins and iniquities of all the peoples of the earth. Notably, Jesus never said anything about an original sin committed by Adam and Eve as the reason for his sacrifice.Jesus became a human being 2,000 years ago and suffered and died on the cross to take the punishment for the sin of the world. You and I broke God's Law and Jesus paid our fine. If you are in court, even though you are guilty, if someone pays your fine, the judge can let you go. God can let you go-He can forgive your case, your sins-in an instant and grant you the gift of everlasting life because He is rich in mercy. And if you repent and trust in Jesus who died on a cross and rose again on the third day, God will forgive every secret sin you've ever committed and grant you the gift of everlasting life. Let me tell you about the integrity of God, do you think He can do everything?
The apostles did not write the gospel stories.All of the apostles but John were executed for their faith in Jesus. What did they have to gain by making up stories? They didn't get money, sex, or power from what they did.
As Baha’u’llah wrote, Jesus besought the one true God the honor of sacrificing himself as a ransom for the sins and iniquities of all the peoples of the earth. Notably, Jesus never said anything about an original sin committed by Adam and Eve as the reason for his sacrifice.
God can grant anyone the gift of everlasting life because He is rich in mercy, even people who did not repent and trust in Jesus who died on a cross.
Jesus set no requirement for anyone to believe that he rose on the third day. In order to gain eternal life, all Jesus said was that we have to believe in Him.
John 3:16: For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
John 3:36 He who believes in the Son has everlasting life; and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.
1 John 5:13 I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God that you may know that you have eternal life.
Because I believe that the soul is responsible for consciousness. The soul works through the brain and mind when we are alive on a physical body but after our body and brain die and have ceased to function the soul continues to function because it was the soul that was responsible for consciousness in the first place.Why would you assume that the memories are of what happened (edit: or rather, what was hallucinated) when the brain was inactive and not as blood oxygen is being cut off or restored?
You are free to question whatever you want. You will probably question until you die and find out for yourself.And I question how clear those memories actually are.
The problem with that is that God did not write the Bible. Men wrote it and men can lie or be mistaken.The Bible says there is something God cannot do. It is impossible for God to lie. And the Bible uses the word 'impossible' because lying and deceitfulness are repulsive, are so disgusting to God, He would never do it. That means you can trust His integrity; you can trust His promises. That means when God says it in the Bible, you can trust it.
The apostles did not write the gospel stories.
What did the early martyrs of the Baha'i Faith have to gain my making up stories?
“Consider these martyrs of unquestionable sincerity, to whose truthfulness testifieth the explicit text of the Book, and all of whom, as thou hast witnessed, have sacrificed their life, their substance, their wives, their children, their all, and ascended unto the loftiest chambers of Paradise. Is it fair to reject the testimony of these detached and exalted beings to the truth of this pre-eminent and Glorious Revelation, and to regard as acceptable the denunciations which have been uttered against this resplendent Light by this faithless people, who for gold have forsaken their faith, and who for the sake of leadership have repudiated Him Who is the First Leader of all mankind? This, although their character is now revealed unto all people who have recognized them as those who will in no wise relinquish one jot or one tittle of their temporal authority for the sake of God’s holy Faith, how much less their life, their substance, and the like.” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, pp. 182-183
By Erik Manning| Skeptical Biblical critics like John Shelby Spong say that it’s impossible that the Apostle John wrote the Gospel of John. Spong writes:
“There is no way that the Fourth Gospel was written by John Zebedee or by any of the disciples of Jesus. The author of this book is not a single individual, but is at least three different writers/editors, who did their layered work over 25 to 30 years.”
Spong isn’t alone in this criticism, even some conservative evangelical Christians have cast doubt on the traditional authorship of John for various reasons. But there are quite a number of reasons to think that John the Son of Zebedee really wrote John. First, let’s consider the external evidence from the early church.
EXTERNAL EVIDENCE
Before we dive in, it’s important to point out that there’s no recorded challenge to the traditional authorship of the Gospels until around the early 5th-century by Faustus the Manichean.
Only up until the point of physical death, because there is no outline of what happens after that.Because I have a layman's outline of what death is and how it works,
Only up until the point of physical death, because there is no outline of what happens after that.
I suppose that is possible, and given what John says about the Comforter and the Spirit of Truth it is even likely.There is evidence that the apostle John wrote the gospel of John.
I believe that death is natural and it exists because God created humans as mortal beings.I believe that death is not natural and it exists because of sin.
How, in your view, could it be possible for the consciousness of a live human to exist after death?Only up until the point of physical death, because there is no outline of what happens after that.
Consciousness exists after death because the soul is responsible for consciousness and the soul is immortal.How, in your view, could it be possible for the consciousness of a live human to exist after death?
Go ahead, at least then I would understand your position.Would it help if I run through a few of the very very many problems with dualism?
I believe that death is natural and it exists because God created humans as mortal beings.
The problem with that is that God did not write the Bible. Men wrote it and men can lie or be mistaken.
I'm curious:
Which one(s) do you think makes most sense?
They don't have to be 100% true to ponder the question
Included interesting reads on your own time
Afterlife (Afterlife (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy)
Reincarnation (Study of Reincarnation Archives | Division of Perceptual Studies)
Near death experiences (Near-Death Experiences - Academic Publications | Division of Perceptual Studies)
Spirit and humans in the "same dimension" (Spiritualist belief) I couldn't find anything on this but the gist is the our spirits (some sources call them energies) who exist after death and interact with our living loved ones.
These are missing a couple other views, but the concept is the same in separation between body and soul (or so have you).
Enjoy
That is a Christian doctrine that some Christians believe but it is not supported by what the Bible actually says.Adam and Eve were created to live forever in the Garden of Eden. Because they ate the forbidden fruit, they were banned from partaking of the tree of life.
No, I did not know that.Did you know that the Bible is full of scientific and medical facts, written thousands of years before man discovered them?
... but you don't have objective evidence to support this belief. We've gone around in a circle.Because I believe that the soul is responsible for consciousness. The soul works through the brain and mind when we are alive on a physical body but after our body and brain die and have ceased to function the soul continues to function because it was the soul that was responsible for consciousness in the first place.
It seems... unlikely that I'll be finding anything out after I'm dead.You are free to question whatever you want. You will probably question until you die and find out for yourself.
That is a Christian doctrine that some Christians believe but it is not supported by what the Bible actually says.
Even if you believe that there was a forbidden fruit and that A & E were punished for eating it, the punishment was not physical death. Physical death would have occurred regardless of whether A & E ate the fruit because the human body is mortal.
Read these verses. It was only AFTER God delineated all the punishments for eating the fruit from the tree that God said that Adam would return to dust!
12 And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat.
13 And the Lord God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat.
14 And the Lord God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:
15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.
17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;
18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;
19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.
The very last verse in the series is this one:
19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.
How could anyone with any logical abilities believe that returning to dust was part of the punishment?!
All God was saying is that AFTER Adam and Eve endure all the punishments delineated in the preceding verses they will return to dust (die) Of course Adam and Eve will die at the end of their life.