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It is not until the agricultural developments around 10,000 BCE that man begins to have a sense of cultural identity. As mankind started living in large groups, it is highly probable that the rudiments of what we, today, call "religion" began to formulate. This is not to say there weren't belief structures before societal man.
michel said:Obviously, it is not a clear cut case.
JamesThePersian said:I would have to agree with you. I believe spirituality to be an innate need in humans and hence I would expect at the very least primitive religions to occur very early on indeed (and indeed there is evidence of religious thought very early on in the achaeological record). Of course the reason for that innate spiritualism, in my opinion, is going to differ rather to some other people's views, because of my faith as a Christian but I would have thought that the evidence for religion being as old (at least) as our species is relatively unquestionable.
James
Sunstone said:I would argue that what we know of human nature should lead us to expect religious activity to begin even further back than 70,000 years.
Mike182 said:actually James, this might interest you.
Karen Armstrong paraphrases Father Wilhelm Schmidt in her book call "A History of God", she says:
"Schmidt suggested that there had been a primitive monotheism before men and women had started to worship a number of Gods. Originally they had acknowledged only one supreme Deity, who had created the world and governed humans affairs from afar. Belief in such a high God (sometimes called sky God, since he is associated with the heavens) is still a feature of the religious life of many indigenous African tribes.
... Schmidt's theory goes, (that) in ancient times, the high God was replaced by the more attractive Gods of the Pagan pantheons. In the beginning, therefore, there was one God. If this is so, then monotheism was one of the earliest ideas evolved by human beings to explain the mystery and tragedy of life"
That was Schmidt's theory, but Armstrong concludes:
"It is impossible to prove this one way or the other. There have been many theories about the origin of religions. Yet it seems that creating Gods is something that human beings have always done. When one religious idea ceases to work for them, it is simply replaced."
JamesThePersian said:If the theory oof this Schmidt is right (and it can clearly never be proven) then that would tie in rather nicely with the idea that the reason we yearn for the spiritual is because we are all created in the image of God. But that is rather an aside. I'm not expecting everyone here to agree with Christian anthropology.
James
Mike182 said:it's always good to find archeological evidence, but it's worth bearing in mind that religious belief does not necessarily have to transfrom into ritual practise.
Mike182 said:it's always good to find archeological evidence, but it's worth bearing in mind that religious belief does not necessarily have to transfrom into ritual practise.
Sunstone said:Rituals of one sort or another are something that almost all religions have in common, so it's likely that ancient religions had rituals too. However, I think I see your point that an ancient religion would not necessarily leave an archeological trace. For instance: What if the religion used all perishable materials? There would be nothing in the archeological record left to speak of.
Sunstone said:When did religions first begin?
I personally believe they are as old as our species (at the least), which puts their origins back 160,000 years (at the least). But when do you think they began? Why?
JamesThePersian said:I would have to agree with you. I believe spirituality to be an innate need in humans and hence I would expect at the very least primitive religions to occur very early on indeed (and indeed there is evidence of religious thought very early on in the achaeological record). Of course the reason for that innate spiritualism, in my opinion, is going to differ rather to some other people's views, because of my faith as a Christian but I would have thought that the evidence for religion being as old (at least) as our species is relatively unquestionable.
James
darkpenguin said:I would call it more of a want myself, humans don't need spirituality to survive.
Sunstone said:Really? How would we know that? Large numbers of humans have never for long tried surviving without some form of religiosity.