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Featured When did a 2nd 70 weeks of Daniel 9:24 begin?

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  1. 2ndpillar

    2ndpillar Well-Known Member

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    When did a new 70 years (Jer 29:10) start, paralleling the 70 weeks of of Daniel 9:24 begin?

    As there is nothing new under the sun, and “that which has been is that which will be”, when was the start of the 70 weeks before there is an “end of sin”, atonement has been made for iniquity (Hosea 5:11), and the most holy place is anointed (Dan 9:24)? As the “wicked” still thrive, and Ephraim and Judah have yet to acknowledge their guilt (Hosea 5:15), when did the 70 weeks begin, and when will it end? Apparently there are two answers; One starting with the decree of Cyrus, and time, times and half a time later (Daniel 7:25), after 69 1/2 weeks, another start. Apparently, Judah started coming out of the nations starting at the Balfour declaration after WWI, which allowed the Zionist to start coming to Judea around 1918. 50 years later, on the Jubilee of that event, 1948, 70 years ago, the nation of Israel was born, giving a new formal decree for their new home. Using the Holy days as a reference, as to the coming “awesome day of the LORD”, when the son of man was given dominion over “all the peoples, nations , and men of every language” (Daniel 7:13-14). First Daniel 2:35 & 44 must be met, which is to crush all the kingdoms of Daniel 2:35, which would be done in Zechariah 14. The start would be with the Passover Feast of Unleavened Bread, the passing over of the angel of death, when those in Jerusalem and on Zion can escape (Joel 2:32). The end would be the after the feast of trumpets, the repentance of Judah and Ephraim (Hosea 5:15), and the feast of atonement, which is for the forgiveness of sins, and the feast of Booths, whereas, Israel, which is scattered among the nations (Ez 36:24), and after being doubly repaid for their iniquity (Jer 16:18) will be hunted down (Jer 16:16), combined with the "stick of Judah" (Ez 37:15-27) and brought back to the land of Jacob (Ze 37:1-25), and have one shepherd/king (Ez 37:24) & (Ez 34:23-24) & (Jeremiah 29:10-14).

    New American Standard Bible Daniel 9:24
    "Seventy weeks have been decreed for your people and your holy city, to finish the transgression, to make an end of sin, to make atonement for iniquity, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy and to anoint the most holy place.


    New American Standard Bible Ecclesiastes 1:9
    That which has been is that which will be, And that which has been done is that which will be done. So there is nothing new under the sun.


    New American Standard Bible Jeremiah 29:10
    "For thus says the LORD, 'When seventy years have been completed for Babylon, I will visit you and fulfill My good word to you, to bring you back to this place.
     
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    Actually that is an obscenely physical re-interpretation. "But because of his great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions—it is by grace you have been saved. And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus, in order that in the coming ages he might show the incomparable riches of his grace, expressed in his kindness to us in Christ Jesus." (Ephesians 2:4-6). Not exciting enough for you? That is not, in your opinion, dominion? It is dominion over all peoples, all nations and men of every language, just not in a warlike physical way such as you are suggesting. It is leading by serving, the least being the greatest. That is the only appropriate way. All of these ideas about physical domination and physical battles between Jesus and some netherbeing are unchristian. There's no superhuman league to dominate the Earth. Its just us being servants.

    Its been 100 years since the Balfour Declaration and 60 years since 1948, the year the transistor was patented. Since then we have seen many nations embrace rule for the people of the people by the people. Israel is one of those nations that have embraced it. If they have some sort of guilt it is surely atoned or they would not be able to do that. In general they are a happy country not an unhappy one.

    This sounds very strange to bring up this very ancient verse as if to say that someone today is actually guilty of something done thousands of years ago. I do not confess my parents sins but my own.
     
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    The guilt of Judah and Ephraim remains the same as when they were shipped to Assyria and Babylon. The only difference now is that they must "return and seek the LORD their God and David their king; and they will come trembling to the LORD and to His goodness in the last days". (Hosea 3:5).

    As for your false gospel of grace, per the false prophet Paul, those that follow that "broad" "way", wind up being destroyed (Mt 7:13). They are referred to in Matthew 13:30, as "tares", who wind up being bundled and burned. They are mostly an unhealthy and lost bunch, who have the ability to pervert most anything written, yet hold on to hope, for that is all they have. Those that hold on to any part of the Spirit of God, sin only because of their ignorance of Truth. Should they see the light, they would be drawn towards that light. Yet they have been kept in darkness by their worthless and fat fed shepherds (Zech 11:14 & Ez 34:3-4).

    As for confessing your sins alone, read the next verse (Jeremiah 31:30). You "will also die for your own iniquity", something Paul said wouldn't happen. You have been duped/deceived (Rev 13:14).
     
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    That is dismissing what already happened thousands of years ago and continues to happen. The quoted texts are relevant to every generation, just as every generation were slaves in Egypt.

    I quoted a scripture verse in the Bible, that's all. I didn't preach anything. You actually think this is preaching? Anyone who disagrees with you is automagically preaching a false gospel eh.

    No, I have been duped many times not just once. I'm starting to get the hang of it, and I am hearing some familiar things in your post.
     
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    That's like asking when will Jesus return.
     
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    According to Yeshua, that is when the fig tree puts forth it's leaves (Mt 24:32). Then you know he is "right at the door" (Mt 24:33).
     
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    You did not quote "Scripture", you quoted the false prophet Paul. That would be the "tare" seed, the words of the "enemy", planted in the same field (NT) as the wheat seed. (Mt 13:24-25). One produces fruit and one does not.
     
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    har har har Paul is Canon. Without Paul you have no path back to the Jewish estate except to become Jewish or Quaker. No inheritance and no place talking about the Bible, either.
     
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    Paul's Bablel is canon according to the "daughter of Babylon". One is urged by Yeshua to "come out of her", or suffer her "plagues" (Rev 18:4). Certainly there is a place for the "stranger" with "Jacob" (Isaiah 14:1-2).

    Isaiah 14:1When the LORD will have compassion on Jacob and again choose Israel, and settle them in their own land, then strangers will join them and attach themselves to the house of Jacob. 2The peoples will take them along and bring them to their place, and the house of Israel will possess them as an inheritance in the land of the LORD as male servants and female servants; and they will take their captors captive and will rule over their oppressors.
     
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    Why saw off the limb you are sitting upon?
     
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    I am not sitting on it. You are. You cut yourself off from tree and root. (Hebrews 8:13)
     
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    What is that a reference to a reference to a reference in Hebrews? You don't even know who wrote it. Jews and Ebionites probably wouldn't endorse it. Without Paul what do you have?
     
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    Nobody knows who wrote Hebrews, Acts, Luke, half of the epistles of Paul, etc., but they are part of your "daughter of Babylon" canon. Without Paul and the Pharisees, the light shines brightly.
     
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    So for no reason at all, not being jewish a body should just pick up Matthew and start reading it literally, even though non of the fulfillments have anything to do with predictions, and they should read Genesis literally despite having no impetus for doing so and should just quiet all the questions that this causes and throw out Paul a bridge in the equation, but Revelation they should keep and also read literally as its very exciting and useful for proving the existence of God? There's just no limb to sit upon, only assumptions.
     
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    You seem to miss the point. Any limb not producing good fruit, will be cut off by Yeshua himself. The tree of Paul (Mt 7:19), produces "bad fruit", such as the Roman church and her daughters, and therefore will be cut down and thrown into the fire(Mt 7:17-19), at the "end of the age" (Mt 13:40-41). The suggestion given by Yeshua in Revelation 18:4, was to "come out of her" and not receive of her "plagues".

    Originally, Judah and Israel, God's people, were cut down and thrown into the fire because they didn't produce good fruit. The root stayed, and the root was the "Word of God". Now when the Gentiles produce bad fruit, what do you think will happen to them, a people who were not "my inheritance" (Joel 3:2). The first shall be last, and the last shall be first. The day of the Gentile is coming to an end. If they don't produce good fruit, they will be cut down and thrown into the fire.

    A church was formed for your non "Jewish" "body". It was called the "flock doomed to slaughter", and its shepherds/staffs, where Peter (Zech 11:16-17) and Paul (Zechariah 11:10). Peter was referred to as the "worthless shepherd" (Zech 11:17). A price was paid for that church, "adulteress", in the equivalent amount of 30 shekels of silver. She would be kept for "many days", until the sons of Israel returned. (Hosea 3).

    In the day of the LORD, 10 men from 10 nations will come to a Jew, and say God is with you. Apparently, God was not with the 10 men of the nations/Gentiles.(Zech 8:22-23).

    Zech 8:22 'So many peoples and mighty nations will come to seek the LORD of hosts in Jerusalem and to entreat the favor of the LORD.' 23"Thus says the LORD of hosts, 'In those days ten men from all the nations will grasp the garment of a Jew, saying, "Let us go with you, for we have heard that God is with you."'"
     
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    Keep pulling stuff out of the air and pretending that the scriptures have anything to do with you or are even written to you. Go ahead. See if you can get in through the back door. I will wait here. Keep pulling random scripture verses and playing Tetris with them.
     
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    The Scriptures refers to the nations, Israel, the beasts of Daniel, Satan, Babylon, Greece, Edom and even the leader of the Roman church, Peter (Isaiah 22:25 & Zech 11:16-17). It includes the "wicked" as well as the "righteous". Who does it leave out? You have been duped. Paul, the flim flam man, the sower of tare seed, has taken you to the cleaners. But then again, it is all a part of the Spirit of Revelation. Those "who dwell on the earth" would be "deceived" (Rev 13:14). You have chosen the road most taken. One that I would recommend one not take. But then again, "the time is near", and "one who does wrong, still do wrong" (Rev 22:11).
     
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    They are not written to gentiles. No gentile is ever commanded to read them. I only ever got involved because I had to, because I was told to, because people were getting hurt and to do nothing would have been wrong. Jesus always directs his attention to Jews, and if they aren't preaching the gospel to gentiles then that ends it right there. They are the only ones that he sends to preach, not any gentiles. Paul and Acts are the exception. Jews are the only ones required to know the scriptures, not gentiles. They are the only ones who can be saints and martyrs, not gentiles. Therefore it is pointless for you to be even bothering with Scripture. You should just not worry about it if there is no Paul, or at least that is how it seems. Why even read Matthew, John or Luke?
     
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    You might want to read your ever conflicting NT. Acts 15:7, "Peter stood up and said to them, "by my mouth the Gentiles should hear the word of the gospel and believe". Matthew 28:19, "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations".
     
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    You can't both deny its validity and rely on its truth. Its Acts, and its mostly about Paul.
     
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