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I don't know any ayah says that the fajir prayer is two rak'a or the percentages of Zakah or how the hajj is performed....does this mean that the salah as we pray doesn't exist in Islam? :sarcastic
The Sunah of prophet emphasizes and explains the Qur'an. If every thing the prophet says has to have a similar copy in the Qur'an, then there's no need for the Sunnah. The Qur'an gives the basics and the Sunnah details and emphasizes.
Lava, Fiqh means the understanding of the Qur'an and Hadeeth. The Zakah, Salah, Hajj..etc all are knwon through Fiqh of the Sunnah.if i am not mistaken that is called science of FIKH. there is nothing wrong in our salaats. of course it has place in religion of Islam. no doubt there practices are in Fıkh Ilm. i understand your point. but i think this is another issue. it is not about sharia laws. fake hadiths are usually about society and evil effort to make people forget about concepts of Islam. Imams have great knowledge of FIKH. that includes salaats and prayers.
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:sarcasticfake hadiths are usually about society and evil effort to make people forget about concepts of Islam.
Lava, Fiqh means the understanding of the Qur'an and Hadeeth. The Zakah, Salah, Hajj..etc all are knwon through Fiqh of the Sunnah.
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Please don't speak like this and you, yourself, acknowledged that you don't have enough knowledge about the subject.
I don't expect anyone to know everything but at least not to talk about anything except based on sufficient knowledge, this was my point.
First you said any hadith contradict the Qur'an is a fake hadith,
then I asked you how the hadd of drinking Alcohol contradicts the Qur'an,
you said it doesn't but the Qur'an doesn't mention anything about it.....
Then I said the qur'an doesn't mention anything about how the Salah is performed for example, you said Salah is know from Fiqh,
I said Fiqh is the understanding of Qur'an and Hadith i.e. salah is known from the hadith,
Then you replied saying Fiqh is not Shari'a whereas I didn't mention the word "Shari'a" at all when I talked about the examples of Salah, Zakah....etc.
Plus saying Fiqh is not Shari'a is untrue...............
Thanks. I love it when my lousy sense of humor is nevertheless appreciated -- especially by someone I like and admire.
so you are saying that Islam should stay away from the rules and regulations , and let what to Cesar to Cesar....Am i getting it Right ?i personally think people who say 'Islam is not secular' do not know Islam very well.
so you are saying that Islam should stay away from the rules and regulations , and let what to Cesar to Cesar....Am i getting it Right ?
I think we better leave that UK part to the other thread you have started earlier.
And how is that Islam's fault?
We are talking here about divine law, not what some ignorant muslims practice.
Instead of blaming the muslims for how wrong they are doing it, you can encourage them to do it in an islamic way. Don't you think that would be a better idea?
If you pay heed to my posts you would know that I have never blamed Islam (the faith) for anything. If I found Islam at fault I would not be a practicing mulsim.
All the examples I have used of current sharia law practiced in the muslim world go against the spirit of Islam and God's laws. If you are truthful you would state me verses in the Quran that support that I am being dishonest about the clear points I have made.
As for disapproving of the way muslims behave and then justify their poor conduct by calling it Islam it is my Islamic right to stand for justice and fight oppression. The truth hurts but it is certainly better than living in ignorance. (please don't take this personally - it is not meant as a personal attack)
Thank youDon't worry, i won't take it personal.
I want to ask you something. Do you believe that Islam did or didn't set any kind of law to govern the life of Muslims and solve their affairs?
You want to know what's wrong with Sharia Law? There are no speed limits, that's what's wrong. Under Sharia Law, people can drive any speed they want to. That can only lead to accidents. Am I the only one who is appalled by this?
nope, i am saying Islam is secular. Bakara 256 proves it.
[2:256] Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects Evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things.
lava ,i think you misunderstand this verse , the verse means that no one should be forced to become a muslim.., but once you choose to become a muslim by your own free will..,you then have a commitment towards that religion and its shariah.., and violating the shariah in public necessitates punishment...( al Hudud )