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What Makes Us Human?

DarkSun

DarkSun

:eltiT
JMorris said:
"I'd like to share a revelation I've had during my time here. It came to me when I tried to classify your species. I realized that you're not actually mammals. Every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with their surrounding environment, but you humans do not. You move to another area, and you multiply, and you multiply, until every natural resource is consumed. The only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet. You are a plague, and we are the cure."

The only intelligent thing i can remember about "The Matrix"
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I've watched that movie so much that I can almost quote it verbatim. It looks like I didn't even realise I'd made reference to it. :p

Frubals.
 
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Gharib

Gharib

I want Khilafah back
JMorris said:
so, you are saying that animals are in fact better than humans. unless, that is, if you believe balance is bad, and imbalance is good.
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never said that. what i am trying to say is that animals are brainless. they only do the things that god has set them to do, they do not step beyond their boundaries like us humans. have you heard of my example about the 1000 cows and 1000 humans?

then whats the whole thing about you talking about "lowering" humans to the level of animals? when, from your own admission, its us humans who are imbalanced?
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no seriously you haven't understood me.

what i said was to show that animals have no free will, thats what sets us appart from all of them other creatures, thats what distinguishes a animal and a human, our brain, our ability to think and have an imagination etc.

we are not imbalanced, but we dostroy or change nature in order to fit our needs and to be satisfied. why is it that almost all of the forests are gone? anything we want we take and why don't other animals do this too, because they have no free will, we are their masters so they obey us. meaning we are superior to them and we are different to them. but you still don't get it do you?
 
Gharib

Gharib

I want Khilafah back
DarkSun said:
You're welcome. ^_^

So you're saying that the thing that sets humans apart from animals is our ability to bend nature as we see fit? To destroy it and rebuild it as we think is necessary?

There's another species on earth that does that, and it isn't a mammal. Maybe humans have been misclassified. We should be renamed "viruses".
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no there is more to it. do viruses have free will?
 
rojse

rojse

RF Addict
eselam said:
exactly.

they would kill and eat but in no way would they be out of balance. we suddenly come into the picture and everything must comform to our needs and dessires.

a lion will kill only when it is hungry, but us humans kill for food and for fun. animals will only kill in deffence or in need. do you sort of understand my point?
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Ants kill other ants in order to steal their eggs and nests, or to expand their territory, for example.

The phrase "Peace and harmony in nature" is a joke.
 
Gharib

Gharib

I want Khilafah back
DarkSun said:
Do any other animals besides humans? And before you answer, how would you prove either?
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so you have not heard my story either, have you.

ok it may not be the best thing around, and i know you will laught at it but here goes

in a field there are 1000 cows, 999 of them suddenly drop dead and one stays alive. now this one cow may raise it's head to look around for a it and then it will continue to eat, it will not get curious as to why all the other cows died.

in the same scenario in a market there are 1000 people, one suddenly dies and everyone rushes to find out what happened and offer their help. they get out of cars homes, shops etc etc.

so what do you recon is that good enough or not?
 
JMorris

JMorris

Democratic Socialist
eselam said:
never said that. what i am trying to say is that animals are brainless. they only do the things that god has set them to do, they do not step beyond their boundaries like us humans. have you heard of my example about the 1000 cows and 1000 humans?



no seriously you haven't understood me.

what i said was to show that animals have no free will, thats what sets us appart from all of them other creatures, thats what distinguishes a animal and a human, our brain, our ability to think and have an imagination etc.

we are not imbalanced, but we dostroy or change nature in order to fit our needs and to be satisfied. why is it that almost all of the forests are gone? anything we want we take and why don't other animals do this too, because they have no free will, we are their masters so they obey us. meaning we are superior to them and we are different to them. but you still don't get it do you?
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well, first, animals arent brainless. but, for the sake of argument, say they are. they only do the things god tells them to do, and dont step outside their boundaries, isnt that what you think humans should do? only do the things god tells us to do, and never step outside those boundaries? so, in fact, you think humans should be brainless. which would emulate animals. so you want us to be like animals?

god has given us free will as you say. but punishes us if we exercise it, so he must not want us to ever use it. so even tho god gave us free will and "brains" as you put it, he dosent want us to use them in any way. he only wants mindless obedience, he wants us to choice to be brainless animals, and worship him, and do all that he says, just like animals do.

i get that humans have the power to control other animals, and destroy the planet. does that make us superior in any moral sense? nope, but it does put us at the top of the food chain, and might makes right, right?

we are not imbalanced, but we dostroy or change nature in order to fit our needs and to be satisfied. why is it that almost all of the forests are gone? anything we want we take
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replace "human" with "virus", and "earth" with "organic host", and by your own definition, humans are virus-like in their actions.
 
JMorris

JMorris

Democratic Socialist
eselam said:
no there is more to it. do viruses have free will?
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so humans simply choose to be virus-like in their relation to the rest of the world?

eselam said:
in a field there are 1000 cows, 999 of them suddenly drop dead and one stays alive. now this one cow may raise it's head to look around for a it and then it will continue to eat, it will not get curious as to why all the other cows died.

in the same scenario in a market there are 1000 people, one suddenly dies and everyone rushes to find out what happened and offer their help. they get out of cars homes, shops etc etc.
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have you ever actually seen a cow? your story has no basis in reality, that is not how a cow would react. but reality is indeed something religion has a problem with, so who can really blame you?
 
DarkSun

DarkSun

:eltiT
eselam said:
so you have not heard my story either, have you.

ok it may not be the best thing around, and i know you will laught at it but here goes

in a field there are 1000 cows, 999 of them suddenly drop dead and one stays alive. now this one cow may raise it's head to look around for a it and then it will continue to eat, it will not get curious as to why all the other cows died.

in the same scenario in a market there are 1000 people, one suddenly dies and everyone rushes to find out what happened and offer their help. they get out of cars homes, shops etc etc.

so what do you recon is that good enough or not?
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How would you know that a mother cow would not be sad if her calf died?

How would you know that a dog would not mourn if his or her owner died?

Some apes are known to cry and sing, a keening sound aimed at the stars at night. How would you know what they're thinking as they do this?

I saw a show on the ABC where a diver used to meet with a dolphin every day of his life at a certain spot in the ocean near his home. The dolphin's family had been killed by poachers when she was young, and this man was taking care of her. This true story ended when the diver got into a car accident and while in hospital, experienced amnesia. He didn't meet with the dolphin for five years until he remembered his entire life up until that point. When he went back to meet the dolphin, it was there, waiting for him. How do you know that the dolphin did not care for the diver?

How do you know what another animal is thinking?
 
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DarkSun

DarkSun

:eltiT
JMorris said:
so humans simply choose to be virus-like in their relation to the rest of the world?



have you ever actually seen a cow? your story has no basis in reality, that is not how a cow would react. but reality is indeed something religion has a problem with, so who can really blame you?
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If you have a problem with religion then maybe you should start another thread about it. :eek:
 
JMorris

JMorris

Democratic Socialist
i find it funny that she keeps saying that animals are below us.

from what ive read of eselam's posts, she places total. obedience to god as the highest attribute a person can attain. then she says that animals have total obedience to god, because they have no free will and are brainless, and without emotion.

so wouldnt you want to be like an animal? from what she's said, animals are only lower than us because they didnt get to choose to be like animals, and because they cant decide to destroy everything around them. we are higher, because we can choose to make no choices. who needs to think? when all of life's answer's are in a book.
 
painted wolf

painted wolf

Grey Muzzle
Elephants, beaver and several birds and insects all change the environment to suit themselves and often hurt other species in the process.

Humans are not alone in that regard either. Beaver will purposefully kill birch trees because they just don't like them, and leave them to rot.

wa:do
 
Gharib

Gharib

I want Khilafah back
JMorris said:
i get that humans have the power to control other animals, and destroy the planet. does that make us superior in any moral sense? nope, but it does put us at the top of the food chain, and might makes right, right?
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exactly what i'm saying, even though we are the weakest species in nature according to biology we have ended up on top of the list, now please explain to me how could this have happened?

i'd say it's due to our brain, thats what sets us appart from other species. but lets hear your story.
 
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