What Makes Us Human?

[DarkSun]

my bad, im not sure why i assumed you were a woman...... i think its "eselam"......and i dont know why that would make me think "woman".......sorry

Or maybe we should give Freud a call...

 

[Gharib]

my bad, im not sure why i assumed you were a woman...... i think its "eselam"......and i dont know why that would make me think "woman".......sorry

no worries. we all make mistakes.

 

[DarkSun]

that i'm not a female?

Well, I thought you were male to begin with, but then JMorris started calling you a "she" and I just assumed I was wrong. And... then I saw that you'd set your gender to male on this site. I was like: "Hang on a minute..."

 

[JMorris]

exactly what i'm saying, even though we are the weakest species in nature according to biology we have ended up on top of the list, now please explain to me how could this have happened?

i'd say it's due to our brain, thats what sets us appart from other species. but lets hear your story.

id agree that its probably our brain. tho we could be wrong. maybe someone more knowledgeable on the subject could inform us.

and we arent the weakest species in nature......but i get what your trying to say.

 

[JMorris]

Well, I thought you were male to begin with, but then JMorris started calling you a "she" and I just assumed I was wrong. And... then I saw that you'd set your gender to male on this site. I was like: "Hang on a minute..."

i hadnt noticed the male symbol thingy on his title.

 

[Gharib]

so humans simply choose to be virus-like in their relation to the rest of the world?

sort of i guess. we don't chose it but we think thats right and infact it is wwrong in many ways.

have you ever actually seen a cow?

if thats sopposed to be a funny question then i will say the closest i have ever gotten to a cow is drinking it's milk.

your story has no basis in reality, that is not how a cow would react.

have you ever actually seen a cow?

it does have a basis in reality, i've chased cows and cows in fields and the others would just open the way and eat again. if you have ever been around a cow, you should know this.

but reality is indeed something religion has a problem with, so who can really blame you?

yes that is sort of correct if you claim that you are smart and know everything, thats what i would call problems with reality, but religion and reality are very much alike, no one can really blame you how could you know about religion?

 

[Gharib]

Well, I thought you were male to begin with, but then JMorris started calling you a "she" and I just assumed I was wrong. And... then I saw that you'd set your gender to male on this site. I was like: "Hang on a minute..."

it got me too, when he had stated "she" for the first time i thought he might be speaking about someone else so i thought i would keep reading, but then i realised he was talking about me when i saw the second post where he called me a she again.

 

[JMorris]

if thats sopposed to be a funny question then i will say the closest i have ever gotten to a cow is drinking it's milk.



have you ever actually seen a cow?

it does have a basis in reality, i've chased cows and cows in fields and the others would just open the way and eat again. if you have ever been around a cow, you should know this.

first, let me say, i think its funny that we've derailed this thread into a conversation about cows. so as to not derail it further, i will keep this short.

if you've chased a cow through a field, then you've been closer to one than "drinking its milk". and yes, ive seen many a cow, i grew up in one of those towns that has "more cows than people". and ive never seen cows behave the way you have described. but maybe cows are different where your from.

 

[darkendless]

What makes us human: arrogance

The pathetic notion that we're better than everything else on this planet

 

[Gharib]

How would you know that a mother cow would not be sad if her calf died?

are we talking about the same calf that will father his mothers new calf?

How would you know that a dog would not mourn if his or her owner died?

a dog would mourne. evidence and proof verifies that. plus personal experience.

Some apes are known to cry and sing, a keening sound aimed at the stars at night. How would you know what they're thinking as they do this?

how do you know that they are even thinking about anything?

I saw a show on the ABC where a diver used to meet with a dolphin every day of his life at a certain spot in the ocean near his home. The dolphin's family had been killed by poachers when she was young, and this man was taking care of her. This true story ended when the diver got into a car accident and while in hospital, experienced amnesia. He didn't meet with the dolphin for five years until he remembered his entire life up until that point. When he went back to meet the dolphin, it was there, waiting for him. How do you know that the dolphin did not care for the diver?

i didn't ask for his bioraphy but since you mentinoed it, have you ever heard of human-animal bonds

How do you know what another animal is thinking?

animals don't think, they just act.

if you dissagree, how do you know that animals can think?

 

[Gharib]

first, let me say, i think its funny that we've derailed this thread into a conversation about cows. so as to not derail it further, i will keep this short.

thats still related to the topic though.

if you've chased a cow through a field, then you've been closer to one than "drinking its milk".

my answer was a joke back at you. of course i've been closer to a cow, i was about 5 years old when i would take them out into fields of grass to feed. and i was the oldest in that group of kids.

and yes, ive seen many a cow, i grew up in one of those towns that has "more cows than people".

yeah bt the question is, have you seen their behaviour? how do they behave around certain things or in certain situations?

and ive never seen cows behave the way you have described. but maybe cows are different where your from.

yeah they have different cultures in europe. that would explain it :biglaugh:

 

[DarkSun]

are we talking about the same calf that will father his mothers new calf?

Incest is a human problem too.

a dog would mourne. evidence and proof verifies that. plus personal experience.

Would you say that dogs have emotion and the ability to care for others then? So this is not just a human trait, would you say?

how do you know that they are even thinking about anything?

Good question. In the same way, though, how would an outside observer looking down on the earth know that we're thinking about anything when we worship something greater than ourselves? It might just look like a bunch of random bowing and singing to someone else.

When we look upon animals, we might be mistaking something primative for something more.

i didn't ask for his bioraphy but since you mentinoed it, have you ever heard of human-animal bonds

What about animal-animal bonds? What about animal-animal communication? What about animal-awareness?

animals don't think, they just act.

if you dissagree, how do you know that animals can think?

How do you know that animals don't think?

 

[JMorris]

thats still related to the topic though.

ok

my answer was a joke back at you. of course i've been closer to a cow, i was about 5 years old when i would take them out into fields of grass to feed. and i was the oldest in that group of kids

i grew up similarly. chickens, goats, cows and such.

yeah bt the question is, have you seen their behaviour? how do they behave around certain things or in certain situations?

yes, ive seen cow behavior, and they didnt act that way. if they felt i wasnt a threat, they'd all stay there, but if one started to run, then most of them would. except maybe the ones further away. i think if some started to run, its because you spooked them, those that didnt run, probably werent spooked. anyway, this is quite a stretch to equate to how 1 cow would react too 999 cows around it dying all at once. in my experience, if a cow died in field, if a coyote or something got it, then the other cows would avoid its body.

yeah they have different cultures in europe. that would explain it

that would explain it indeed

 

[Gharib]

Incest is a human problem too.

not my problem and it doesn't make me an animal due to some idiots.

Would you say that dogs have emotion and the ability to care for others then? So this is not just a human trait, would you say?

caring and emotion is not just a human trait, everyone knows that.

why did you even ask?

Good question. In the same way, though, how would an outside observer looking down on the earth know that we're thinking about anything when we worship something greater than ourselves? It might just look like a bunch of random bowing and singing to someone else.

well in islam we believe that all creatures pray to god just like us do by our bowing, except they do it in different ways. for example i have heard that birds pray or worship god everytime they open up their wings while in flight and don't flapp them, but as to how true it is, i have no idea.

When we look upon animals, we might be mistaking something primative for something more.

there are no hiddend unexpected miracles in animals that will soon make them change, dogs have always been dogs and will continue to be so. there is no more that what we currently have.

What about animal-animal bonds? What about animal-animal communication? What about animal-awareness?

what does animal awarness mean?

How do you know that animals don't think?

have you ever kicked a dog or hit a cow?

i've kicked plenty of dogs in my days, and if the had the chance they would react then and there, but they have never held a grudge against me so they never bit me back when i passed infront of them again for kicking them a few hours before. same with the cow. same with all the stupid animals.

 

[Gharib]

What is it about humanity that separates us from all other animal species?

culture.

 

[JMorris]

not my problem and it doesn't make me an animal due to some idiots.



caring and emotion is not just a human trait, everyone knows that.

why did you even ask?



well in islam we believe that all creatures pray to god just like us do by our bowing, except they do it in different ways. for example i have heard that birds pray or worship god everytime they open up their wings while in flight and don't flapp them, but as to how true it is, i have no idea.



there are no hiddend unexpected miracles in animals that will soon make them change, dogs have always been dogs and will continue to be so. there is no more that what we currently have.



what does animal awarness mean?



have you ever kicked a dog or hit a cow?

i've kicked plenty of dogs in my days, and if the had the chance they would react then and there, but they have never held a grudge against me so they never bit me back when i passed infront of them again for kicking them a few hours before. same with the cow. same with all the stupid animals.

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:slap:
i give up

 

[Gharib]

:no:
:slap:
i give up

what do you mean?

 

[JMorris]

what do you mean?

let me be more specific

caring and emotion is not just a human trait, everyone knows that.

...............

have you ever kicked a dog or hit a cow?

i've kicked plenty of dogs in my days, and if the had the chance they would react then and there, but they have never held a grudge against me so they never bit me back when i passed infront of them again for kicking them a few hours before. same with the cow. same with all the stupid animals.

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:slap:
theres no need to continue this conversation with you. you know animals have "caring and emotions", and then still proudly proclaim your abuse of them?

i give up

 

[Gharib]

let me be more specific



:no:
:slap:
theres no need to continue this conversation with you. you know animals have "caring and emotions", and then still proudly proclaim your abuse of them?

i give up

yeah i was a child, i didn't know back then. are you insulted by that?

 

[JMorris]

yeah i was a child, i didn't know back then. are you insulted by that?

i guess not. should of said that from the start, then i wouldnt of misunderstood your post.