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What it is to be a PEACE-MAKER

Discussion in 'Scriptural Debates' started by .kaleb, Apr 13, 2015.

  1. BSM1

    BSM1 What? Me worry?

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    Good luck.
     
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    Yeah, I realize I'm a bit of a Hans Scholl on this.
     
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    Yeah....and there have been rumors of war....even in heaven.

    Angels have been displayed with sword in hand for centuries.
    I cannot take that away.

    I also believe, the peace of heaven is guarded.
    The angelic stand between Man and heaven.

    Man was created a little less than the angelic (Psalms)
    The list that follows is simple.
    Bigger, faster, stronger, more intelligent and greatly experienced.

    They cannot be pushed aside, circumvented, subdued, tricked or cheated.

    They are blessed.
     
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  4. Unification

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    Thanks for the reply, friend. Literal male and literal female should compliment each other perfectly, and naturally. The scriptures aren't a "how to guide" for marriage... That would be silly. That should be natural nature. They are much deeper. If you can, try to read the scriptures with the man/husband being the conscious/spirit and the woman and wive submitting and subjecting being the mind. The problem lies with how unclean and how belittled the woman is in scripture. It's more so the mind. It wouldn't be equal and just, and of peace. Consciousness would need a helper, a mind to discover truth, create, build, know ones purpose, etc. I may have read a statistic that more divorce takes place in the confines of religion than out of religion. It's likely because of egotistical males who are controlling and take the scriptures literally.

    When the light clicked in my mind, forgiveness of others came naturally, because I was forgiven. My past is non-existent in my mind. It's no longer dwelled on. All the wrongdoing that came my way from others, it's just an automatic to forgive now. The release, freedom and peace of mind was amazing. No more bitterness, grudges, getting pleasure from others pain, blaming, seeking or wishing payback or revenge on others, etc. Killing with kindness is a good way to put it, but that essentially is conceited arrogance and not pure intent. I now genuinely want peace and a better frame of life and mind for others that do evil to me, and for anyone in the world, so no matter how nasty someone may be to me or what they may do to me, when there is no retaliation but kind words and calmness/peace in return.. It is being a peacemaker. Forgiveness, genuine forgiveness and being unphased by anything or letting anything defeat you or unleash the beast, ego and emotional animal mind. Respond and not reacting. Listen, respond instead of reacting out of emotion, ego, pride, anger, revenge. The altar one builds to God is internally, the good fruit/seed growing within. Gifts given to God are within, not vainly or outwardly in a building. Peace before sacrifice.

    Being peaceable is seeing and realizing the oneness with everyone and everything. No respector of persons. There is no such thing as race, color, size, rich or poor, guy or girl, nationality, heritage, etc. All is equal. Realizing what is done to any other human, it is done to "God." Religions do a great job of creating divide and anything but peace. Judgements, creating rules, doctrines, control, they are anything but freedom of mind and peaceable. The very thing that's supposed to promote peace is creating divide, murder, degrading of women, child abuse, list is endless. A rational mind would have to conclude with better judgement that the root to a lot of the worlds problems are religion and taking the scriptures literally, they have a deeper inner objective spiritual meaning. A house divided against itself cannot stand. Internally and externally. Being ones own lighthouse, showing no partiality to any human is being peaceable.

    How that this helps in any way, many blessings to you.
     
  5. Unification

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    Peace wouldn't be pointing fingers and blaming. It would be spreading truth. We are all a part of the problem, collectively.
     
  6. Valjean

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    How is pointing a finger at the threats to peace and blaming the perpetrators problematic? You don't solve a problem by denying its causes.
     
  7. Unification

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    America is gradually self destructing itself as is. There are many countries and religions creating vast amounts of problems. Worldwide. I agree, problems aren't solved by denying its causes. It's being aware and conscious of all its causes collectively. The only way to change anything, is change ourselves first, and then promote truth, and peace without finger pointing. It is what it is, the damage of the past has been done. It's the present and the series of presents that matter.
     
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    your welcome. Your posts are quite insightful as I mentioned. I don't want to dissect everything you have said, but there are a couple points where I have perhaps a slightly different perspective.

    I would say that the scriptures provide the very best advice to not only get marriage of to a good start, but also principles that when applied result in happier families. I would agree that submission must start in the mind. The man was not created greater than the woman, but God did grant authority to the man, but he must administer this authority in a loving way with his wife's best interest in mind.

    Context needs to be considered. The Jews of the day looked at women as inferior. Some even recited a prayer that thanked God they were not born a woman. Woman could not have positions of influence in judicial cases, a woman was not considered a credible witness, and society of the day generally treated women as 2nd class.

    Christ when he came tho, elevated the status of women. He first revealed his true nature to a woman, and a Samaritan woman at that. When resurrected, he appeared first to Mary, and he always treated women with dignity and respect.
    At Exodus 3:12 it says: “Honor your father and your mother, so that you may live a long time in the land that Jehovah your God is giving you...

    scriptures can always be twisted by those who wish to subjugate others. The law of the Christ sets one free from that tho. That law being the law of love. Love conquers all. Love never fails.
    that was very pleasant to read.

    nice reasoning

    most of organized religion has a lot to answer for. In fact in speaking of Babylon the great, the empire of FALSE religion as identified in the bible, Revelation 18:5 says: For her sins have massed together clear up to heaven, and God has called her acts of injustice to mind.

    The religions that have enslaved humanity, have not correctly taught the truth about our awesome creator, and have caused death, subjugation, repression, and abject misery for so much of humanity, will all soon face Gods judgement.

    On a personal level, I do believe nothing changes until you change yourself. Love is the key. 1 John 4:7-10 says: Beloved ones, let us continue loving one another, because love is from God, and everyone who loves has been born from God and knows God. 8 Whoever does not love has not come to know God, because God is love. 9 By this the love of God was revealed in our case, that God sent his only-begotten Son into the world so that we might gain life through him. 10 The love is in this respect, not that we have loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as a propitiatory sacrifice for our sins.

    The future of humanity is very very bright. I believe soon Jesus Christ will take over the affairs of mankind, and be earths new ruler. Humanity will then undergo the greatest renaissance in history.
     
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  9. Unification

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    Thanks for the response buddy, glad to see you have a peaceable nature.

    Being born of "woman" is being born of the mind. Being born of "man" is being born of the Spirit. A Jew is one inward. Wouldn't have anything to do with literal male or female. The ones born of the mind recreated literal and outward definitions for things written by Spirit. Literal heritage and nationality, country, gender, etc are irrelevant. This creates respect for persons, and inequality. When the "truth and the life" are revealed in the mind, one is born of spirit/conscious/God. The mind must submit to the Spirit. Subconscious must submit to conscious.

    Father and mother aren't literal either. Literal fathers and mothers, a lot of them are ignorant.

    When the "Christ" comes (higher consciousness in the mind) ... True conscious and spiritual nature is revealed to the mind.

    The law of the Christ does set one free from the mind. Law of love and higher consciousness. The beast is the animal mind that needs overcome. The exodus of slavery of mind to freedom and peace of mind.

    Taking over the affairs of mankind would be the revelation of higher consciousness and spiritual truth in mankind's(mindkind's) minds. The collective conscious/unconscious (Holy spirit) A great shift in consciousness for the world, collectively and individually.
     
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    When a literal man and woman are both led by their conscious(spirit) and not the mind, their relationship is beautiful and wonderfully complimented. Pure genuine love and sacrifice, unconditionally, selflessly.

    When the conscious(spirit) is united divinely with the subconscious(mind) ... The dual nature of the human becomes integrated into one. The promised land is reached. (Higher consciousness-enlightenment) (peace and freedom of mind, oneness with everything.) This is the scriptural and spiritual meaning. The mind is no longer fractured, and separated.

    The mind needs to be veiled (covered by the spirit/conscious) the spirit of the human is imprisoned by the mind and the truth sets it free.
     
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