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What it is to be a PEACE-MAKER

.kaleb

Member
With so much war, violence and crime plaguing humanity, how can a Christian, or anyone for that matter find peace?

Jesus most famous words, the sermon on the mount, are more relevant now than at any other point in human history.
In Matthew 5:9 we read (King James Version) Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.

Blessed are the peacemakers. What does it mean to be a peacemaker? What is the difference between being a peacemaker and being peaceable?
Before giving my opinion, I would like to hear your thoughts.
 

Tumah

Veteran Member
With so much war, violence and crime plaguing humanity, how can a Christian, or anyone for that matter find peace?

Jesus most famous words, the sermon on the mount, are more relevant now than at any other point in human history.
In Matthew 5:9 we read (King James Version) Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.

Blessed are the peacemakers. What does it mean to be a peacemaker? What is the difference between being a peacemaker and being peaceable?
Before giving my opinion, I would like to hear your thoughts.

No, I think the NT is wrong. The way to find peace if by following Hillel's statement not Jesus'.
"Be like the students of Aaron: love peace and chase peace."

Being a peacemaker is fulfilling Hillel's teaching.
Being peaceful, is only being at peace with one's neighbors, but not actively seeking out argument to calm.
 

DawudTalut

Peace be upon you.
With so much war, violence and crime plaguing humanity, how can a Christian, or anyone for that matter find peace?.......
Peace be on you.
From Ahmadiyya-Muslim Khalifah's words:
1- Justice at all level for everyone.
2- Just-Economy.
3- Equity between nations.
4- No abuse of name of religion for selfish motives.
5- World's natural resources belongs of all human (not to few selected individuals) and these should be used for the benefit of every single human everywhere.
6- Every child, no matter his or her background, should be provided a proper education so that they can develop into skilled and truly beneficial members of society.
7- Rich nations show sacrifice for poor ones, poor ones pay their responsibilities, there should be mutual respect.
 

b.finton

In the Unity of Faith
There is a left- and a right-hand view to every issue. Peacemakers find the center and endeavor to move antagonists in that direction. They are able to do so because they have drawn close to the center within themselves and have an active sense of mutuality. The left and right are captive to the dynamics of their disagreement: should one triumph in a moment, the other will brood until the opportunity arises to reexamine the disagreement. Victory and defeat never end in peace. A new way in the center that satisfies essential concerns of both parties must be found. Peacemakers look towards that central point of resolution as naturally as those on the right and left look towards the margins for contentious ammunition. It's simply the way the three types are built. Blessed are the peacemakers.
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
True peacemaking is fairly rare. It is something of a challenge to human nature. It most definitely does not involve military action.
 

.kaleb

Member
No, I think the NT is wrong. The way to find peace if by following Hillel's statement not Jesus'.
"Be like the students of Aaron: love peace and chase peace."

Being a peacemaker is fulfilling Hillel's teaching.
Being peaceful, is only being at peace with one's neighbors, but not actively seeking out argument to calm.
Interesting. At james 3:17,18 it says: But the wisdom from above is first of all pure, then peaceable, reasonable, ready to obey, full of mercy and good fruits, impartial, not hypocritical. 18 Moreover, the fruit of righteousness is sown in peaceful conditions for those who are making peace.

The saying goes, "one pursues something only to the degree one values it..." I think that goes for being a peacemaker. It is something that must be pursued, and is one of the hardest things to do, especially at a time when society is anything but peaceful.

Jesus also stressed that Peace must come before sacrifice at Matthew 5:23,24 “If, then, you are bringing your gift to the altar and there you remember that your brother has something against you,24 leave your gift there in front of the altar, and go away. First make your peace with your brother, and then come back and offer your gift.

Peace be on you.
From Ahmadiyya-Muslim Khalifah's words:
1- Justice at all level for everyone.
2- Just-Economy.
3- Equity between nations.
4- No abuse of name of religion for selfish motives.
5- World's natural resources belongs of all human (not to few selected individuals) and these should be used for the benefit of every single human everywhere.
6- Every child, no matter his or her background, should be provided a proper education so that they can develop into skilled and truly beneficial members of society.
7- Rich nations show sacrifice for poor ones, poor ones pay their responsibilities, there should be mutual respect.
some good suggestions, but who do you think could oversee such changes?
 

Tumah

Veteran Member
Interesting. At james 3:17,18 it says: But the wisdom from above is first of all pure, then peaceable, reasonable, ready to obey, full of mercy and good fruits, impartial, not hypocritical. 18 Moreover, the fruit of righteousness is sown in peaceful conditions for those who are making peace.

The saying goes, "one pursues something only to the degree one values it..." I think that goes for being a peacemaker. It is something that must be pursued, and is one of the hardest things to do, especially at a time when society is anything but peaceful.

Jesus also stressed that Peace must come before sacrifice at Matthew 5:23,24 “If, then, you are bringing your gift to the altar and there you remember that your brother has something against you,24 leave your gift there in front of the altar, and go away. First make your peace with your brother, and then come back and offer your gift.

Way over my head.
 

Unification

Well-Known Member
With so much war, violence and crime plaguing humanity, how can a Christian, or anyone for that matter find peace?

Jesus most famous words, the sermon on the mount, are more relevant now than at any other point in human history.
In Matthew 5:9 we read (King James Version) Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.

Blessed are the peacemakers. What does it mean to be a peacemaker? What is the difference between being a peacemaker and being peaceable?
Before giving my opinion, I would like to hear your thoughts.

Here is how the bible tells us how to be peacemakers,
Truth, love, equality, and oneness.

We are animals, beasts. We evolved from animals and the only thing that separates us is having a rational mind, a neocortex to find the truth, realize our purpose, realize the truth about ourselves. We must first sacrifice our animal nature, (not literal animals) but our carnality, our lower minds, dethrone ourselves and our egos, pride, and arrogance. Destroy our impure thoughts by separating from the mind and thoughts. Creating a pure mind, a pure tabernacle of God, the brain. The kingdom is "within." As Jesus said numerous times, "take no thought." The mind and heart must first become pure.

The 12 cranial nerves become aligned, we no longer live by sight, material, the physical world, our ego driven thoughts and desires, etc. We become a spiritual being.

The individual could only come to God in the way He prescribed, not our own ways. Through a purification process in the head.

The holy of holies is where the shekinah (glory of God) is. No ordinary person could enter. One must enter within themselves. Deny themselves. Gods special dwelling place for His people. . within ones brain and heart.

Becoming one, divine marriage between the two hemispheres of the brain, the uniting of the conscious and subconscious. That in turn, automatically makes the individual realize that all are one, we all have the same physical bodies, composed of blood, bones, brain, mind, dna, spirit, heart, etc. ,we all are conscious beings , we all live on the same earth, we all have the same universe, and so on.

Love.

Spreading love, truth, and peace.
 

.kaleb

Member
Here is how the bible tells us how to be peacemakers,
Truth, love, equality, and oneness.

We are animals, beasts. We evolved from animals and the only thing that separates us is having a rational mind, a neocortex to find the truth, realize our purpose, realize the truth about ourselves.
on the other hand, the creator tells us in Genesis 1:26 let us make man in OUR image, according to OUR likeness... No mention of evolving from anything other than dust, and at his direction.

The 12 cranial nerves become aligned, we no longer live by sight, material, the physical world, our ego driven thoughts and desires, etc. We become a spiritual being.

The individual could only come to God in the way He prescribed, not our own ways. Through a purification process in the head.

The holy of holies is where the shekinah (glory of God) is. No ordinary person could enter. One must enter within themselves. Deny themselves. Gods special dwelling place for His people. . within ones brain and heart.

Becoming one, divine marriage between the two hemispheres of the brain, the uniting of the conscious and subconscious. That in turn, automatically makes the individual realize that all are one, we all have the same physical bodies, composed of blood, bones, brain, mind, dna, spirit, heart, etc. ,we all are conscious beings , we all live on the same earth, we all have the same universe, and so on.

Love.

Spreading love, truth, and peace.
Some interesting input. Thanks. Do you believe one can gain a measure of peace in a world devoid of peace?
 

Unification

Well-Known Member
Some interesting input. Thanks. Do you believe one can gain a measure of peace in a world devoid of peace?

Thanks for the reply, friend. I'll give my take,

In the original language the word was't "God".

The word was ELOHIM.

Elohim is a word that means dual.

Both male and female.

In Genesis 1:20 it says " Let us make man in OUR image, after OUR likeness".

Notice the duality there.

It is suggesting male and female. God is Spirit and has no gender for one, but the spirit/conscious of one would be the male aspect of mankind. The female would be our own minds, or are subconscious/unconscious. Initially, the human is born with good seeds within (children)... Until experience, conditioning by religious dogma, family, friends, education, rudiments of the world, desires of the flesh gradually start to kick in.

In Genesis 5:1 it says " Male and Female created he them and called their name Adam".
Referring to one person, mankind's dual nature. Higher nature and lower nature. It's the lower nature that needs defeated. The seeds of emotions, etc. coming from the Limbic part of brain are in the same region as the reptilian complex of the brain. The neocortex is our conscious. Divine marriage would be the uniting of the two.

There is some scripture somewhere in the New Testament about the adulterous woman and Jesus writing on the ground two times and the Pharisees "consciouses" becoming aware. It's metaphorical for the two tablets of stone-ground-matter, the western and eastern hemispheres of the brain where the conscious and subconscious derive. The adulterous woman is the human mind/ones lower nature.

It's absolutely possible to be peaceful and at rest with God in one's head in a world devoid of peace. The entire idea is escaping the animal/physical realm by becoming a spiritual being. Separating from thought and letting the spirit do the rest. Requires surrender and denying of oneself, particularly ones own knowledge and understanding. Defeating the conditioned mind. Being truly peaceable and one isn't exactly welcomed in a world devoid of understanding or being aware of what that truly means.

Many blessings to you, friend.
 

Unification

Well-Known Member
Thanks for the reply, friend. I'll give my take,

In the original language the word was't "God".

The word was ELOHIM.

Elohim is a word that means dual.

Both male and female.

In Genesis 1:20 it says " Let us make man in OUR image, after OUR likeness".

Notice the duality there.

It is suggesting male and female. God is Spirit and has no gender for one, but the spirit/conscious of one would be the male aspect of mankind. The female would be our own minds, or are subconscious/unconscious. Initially, the human is born with good seeds within (children)... Until experience, conditioning by religious dogma, family, friends, education, rudiments of the world, desires of the flesh gradually start to kick in.

In Genesis 5:1 it says " Male and Female created he them and called their name Adam".
Referring to one person, mankind's dual nature. Higher nature and lower nature. It's the lower nature that needs defeated. The seeds of emotions, etc. coming from the Limbic part of brain are in the same region as the reptilian complex of the brain. The neocortex is our conscious. Divine marriage would be the uniting of the two.

There is some scripture somewhere in the New Testament about the adulterous woman and Jesus writing on the ground two times and the Pharisees "consciouses" becoming aware. It's metaphorical for the two tablets of stone-ground-matter, the western and eastern hemispheres of the brain where the conscious and subconscious derive. The adulterous woman is the human mind/ones lower nature.

It's absolutely possible to be peaceful and at rest with God in one's head in a world devoid of peace. The entire idea is escaping the animal/physical realm by becoming a spiritual being. Separating from thought and letting the spirit do the rest. Requires surrender and denying of oneself, particularly ones own knowledge and understanding. Defeating the conditioned mind. Being truly peaceable and one isn't exactly welcomed in a world devoid of understanding or being aware of what that truly means.

Many blessings to you, friend.

Or taking it a step deeper, woman was created for man, meaning the subconscious was created for the conscious/spirit. The woman is our own mind given to the human as a tool to discover the truth, be aware, discover the truth about ourselves, purpose, and life.
Husband and wife in scripture are the two becoming one, the higher self and the lower self uniting in divine marriage. The marriage of conscious and subconscious. The marriage of the Western Hemisphere and Eastern Hemisphere of brain. Two becoming one.
Literal and vain male will be deceived into thinking that a literal wife should submit and subject to him and that he has power and control and rule over the woman. This is unjust, and unequal, and all ego and control and power.
It's the subconscious, ones own mind, emotions, knowledge, and thoughts that needs the veil and to be led and covered by the spirit/consciousness (metaphorical for long hair).
 

BSM1

What? Me worry?
The scriptures say "Blessed are the peace makers..." not Blessed are the peaceful". Unfortunately you sometimes have to make war to make peace.
 

.kaleb

Member
Or taking it a step deeper, woman was created for man, meaning the subconscious was created for the conscious/spirit. The woman is our own mind given to the human as a tool to discover the truth, be aware, discover the truth about ourselves, purpose, and life.
Husband and wife in scripture are the two becoming one, the higher self and the lower self uniting in divine marriage. The marriage of conscious and subconscious. The marriage of the Western Hemisphere and Eastern Hemisphere of brain. Two becoming one.
Literal and vain male will be deceived into thinking that a literal wife should submit and subject to him and that he has power and control and rule over the woman. This is unjust, and unequal, and all ego and control and power.
It's the subconscious, ones own mind, emotions, knowledge, and thoughts that needs the veil and to be led and covered by the spirit/consciousness (metaphorical for long hair).
You have some interesting insights on these topics uni. It's taken a while to digest what you have written, in fact I had to read each post 3 times just to start to get a handle on it. It's kind of gone of topic, but with regards woman, Genesis 2:18 says: Then Jehovah God said: “It is not good for the man to continue to be alone. I am going to make a helper for him, as a complement of him.” Jehovah saw that Adam needed a companion, a helper as a compliment of him. The part that interest me is, a compliment of him. Eve was to offset any deficiencies Adam had IMO. That is why the emotional makeup of men and women are different. The woman compliments the man, and thus at marriage the 2 become one flesh as it were.

It's absolutely possible to be peaceful and at rest with God in one's head in a world devoid of peace. The entire idea is escaping the animal/physical realm by becoming a spiritual being. Separating from thought and letting the spirit do the rest. Requires surrender and denying of oneself, particularly ones own knowledge and understanding. Defeating the conditioned mind. Being truly peaceable and one isn't exactly welcomed in a world devoid of understanding or being aware of what that truly means.
Here is where I'd like your input. The difference between being peaceful & being a peacemaker? How would you define that?
The reason I ask, is Jesus said in something very interesting, and is like your take on this as well, in Matthew 5:23,24
“If, then, you are bringing your gift to the altar and there you remember that your brother has something against you,24 leave your gift there in front of the altar, and go away. First make your peace with your brother, and then come back and offer your gift.

Peace before sacrifice.


Notice Jesus said if you remember that your brother has a problem with you, leave your gift there and go make peace. You may not have a problem with the other person, but Jesus said if you know he has a problem with you, you go make peace. That just blows my mind as to what is required to be a peace maker. There would be no wars if we had leaders who try and imitate Christ rather than the cowards in charge ATM..
 

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Give them jobs outside the military-industrial complex, maybe repairing our decaying infrastructure.
 

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Start with the Americans. They're the greatest threat to peace in the world and have a military vastly larger than any security needs necessitate.
 
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