ratiocinator
Lightly seared on the reality grill.
Which one?
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What is your best evidence for a god?
- Thread starter Brookhousek
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Which one?
chinu
chinu
The one who has created the whole universe that you see all around you.
osgart
Nothing my eye, Something for sure
The human form and human capabilities are the best evidence for a God. But it doesn't quite get all the way there.
Everything humans have is for to do things with. This can be no accident. So amidst the raw violence, toxic gases, and deadly forces of the universe an intelligent organizing principle must exist. But it is not the driving, dominant force in the physical world.
Everything humans have is for to do things with. This can be no accident. So amidst the raw violence, toxic gases, and deadly forces of the universe an intelligent organizing principle must exist. But it is not the driving, dominant force in the physical world.
ratiocinator
Lightly seared on the reality grill.
That doesn't narrow it down much.
chinu
chinu
How ?
ratiocinator
Lightly seared on the reality grill.
There is still a lot of different (and contradictory) gods that different groups of people claim created the universe.
chinu
chinu
Salty Booger
Royal Crown Cola (RC)
Are you placing God in a box. What is your definition of God? Should we start with what you think God should be?
Brookhousek
Member
The definition of an atheist is someone who doesn’t hold a belief in a god. That is different from asserting that there is no god. Hard atheists claim there are no gods. In an ideal world a parent should provide the child with accurate unbiased facts and allow them to make up their own mind that belief in an invisible god that has no good evidence is not justified.
ratiocinator
Lightly seared on the reality grill.
It's you who brought them into the conversation:-
Which people were you talking about?
A Vestigial Mote
Well-Known Member
I cooked a piece of toast and the more burned part appeared as a profile of Jesus.
Oh wait... scratch that. I saw any icy waterfall frozen in three separate parts, and it reminded me of the trinity.
No, no wait... that's not it either. I added up some numbers from various scripture and the numbers I came to seem relevant and non-coincidental.
Actually, forget all that - I was in church one afternoon, praying in the pews alone, and I suddenly felt a wave of peace flow over my entire mind and body.
Hmmm... now that I am stating this stuff to other people, you know what? It sounds like a bunch of crap.
Oh wait... scratch that. I saw any icy waterfall frozen in three separate parts, and it reminded me of the trinity.
No, no wait... that's not it either. I added up some numbers from various scripture and the numbers I came to seem relevant and non-coincidental.
Actually, forget all that - I was in church one afternoon, praying in the pews alone, and I suddenly felt a wave of peace flow over my entire mind and body.
Hmmm... now that I am stating this stuff to other people, you know what? It sounds like a bunch of crap.
Brookhousek
Member
A god who is interested in humankind? Who would commit mass genocide and wipe out most of the population of the world because he messed up his original creation. Has the ability to do anything but chooses to play hide and seek and ignore the plight of every human. A tour loving god.
Brookhousek
Member
Thought so. Some book told you.
chinu
chinu
I said.. God convinced people. NOT people convinced other people. Please take a moment to understand.
For example: you are good singer -- convinced somebody -- singing a beautiful song.
Of course, I can tell someone that you are good singer, but, I cannot convince. Only you yourself can convince by performing.
Brookhousek
Member
Sorry, but I don’t understand your reply. Who has met god in person?God convinced those people by meeting them in person.
Any question more ?
Brookhousek
Member
Sorry, I have qualifications in teaching mindfulness and know how to do it. Still don’t see how this has anything to do with a divine being.
chinu
chinu
God met person, NOT person met God.
Or, are you asking me the address of a person with whom this incident happened ?
Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach.
-Bernard Shaw
Edit: Divine Beings, plural, not Being.
Edit 2: What is your definition of Divine Beings?
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Brookhousek
Member
Your god cannot be encountered, only wants to meet people who already believe or who are worthy and everybody imagines this being in completely different ways. This does sound like tap dancing around the fact there is no evidence beyond just blind faith.First, nobody can encounter God. Its God who decide -- whom to meet in person, or NOT.
Second, if you really interested in meeting/merge with God -- you need to make your own application/request, nobody can represent you. Hence, don't worry for people who contradict with each other. Important is -- are you a bonafide intending person ?
Third.. perhaps you may be, but, I don't think at this time you qualify to make this meeting application to God.
Rationalise?
At one point I had a lot of questions of the type "If there is a God, there has to be a reason for all this suffering." There were many variations of this question.
I found in reincarnation and karma a partial answer. With those, much of what happens to people has a reason.
But there's more. Another reason is the idea that anything that's too easy is not really satisfying. What is truly satisfying is something supremely difficult that we manage to accomplish. So the universe was set up for us accordingly.
Another is the fundamental nature of love. If we take a limited view of God as a parent, a good parent allows a child to have learning experiences. A child can't mature unless the child learns that fire is hot and will burn.
I'll catch up on the thread and see if another posts triggers something more.