Even described as isn't really saying they ARE.
They reject the righteousness of the first three Caliphs and uphold the Imamah.
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What is wrong with calling Islam religion of peace?
- Thread starter sovietchild
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Even described as isn't really saying they ARE.
They reject the righteousness of the first three Caliphs and uphold the Imamah.
psychoslice
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To call Islam a religion of peace is one big lie, and I don't like lying, so there !!.
SethZaddik
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Islam is a religion of peace, and victim of slanderous propaganda attacks. When Jews lived in Muslim nations they flourished alongside Christians and Mandaeans who are all "People of the book" who will have no grief or fear on Judgement Day.
It's well known Christianity wants to convert the world to Christianity and denies the legitimacy of every other religion, believes they are God's new chosen people and everyone else is doomed to hell.
But when an Imam is asked if everyone SHOULD convert to Islam, even though he doesn't proselytize, says "Yes, I do" because he believes in his religion it is portrayed as fascist.
SethZaddik
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SethZaddik
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People who waste time talking trash about something they have no active role in or knowledge of, beyond whatever quotes they find they can use to make Islam look bad, just hate first, ask questions second.
Join Islam, show me how it is not peaceful, my Mosque and everyone who goes to it is peaceful and of upright character. We have Doctors, scientists, lawyers and local businessmen and our local community supports us.
Hate is hate of self, reversed to alleviate pain and leveled at whoever has not the public sympathy.
But they hate everyone, including their own self.
Join Islam, show me how it is not peaceful, my Mosque and everyone who goes to it is peaceful and of upright character. We have Doctors, scientists, lawyers and local businessmen and our local community supports us.
Hate is hate of self, reversed to alleviate pain and leveled at whoever has not the public sympathy.
But they hate everyone, including their own self.
Replace 'Christianity' with 'Islam' and this statement is still true.
No, we quote from the Qur'an, books of ahadith and the Sirah literature to explain why Muslims the world over behave the way they do. If the texts say anything hateful or wrong, that's hardly our fault. If a text is an accepted part of your religion, then you should own it and accept when it it's quoted to prove something about your religion as the religion is based upon those texts.
This is just an argument from personal experience and has no direct relation to reality. And the reality is that many Mosques have to be monitered because of the hate preaching that goes on inside them. So your argument doesn't work.
Preachers of separatism at work inside Britain's mosques
Let me ask you this: in your view, does Islam allow same-sex relationships, or does it villify homosexuality and same-sex attraction?
If your answer is that Islam is not LGBT+-affirming, then I think you can understand why someone who believes LGBT+ rights are human rights would immediately take exception to Islam, having taken your word as authoritative.
That's just one simple example.
SethZaddik
Active Member
I can laugh at this statement knowing full well it is garbage.
There is no evangelical Islam, you come to Islam. No knocking on doors trying to save souls. Jews and Christians religion is acceptable according to the Quran.
No need for conversion making your statement a load of crap. You just really want it to be true but when is the last time a Muslim tried getting you to go to the Mosque?
We really don't need to evangelize, and do not. Not by force or persuasion. No religion was so tolerant to Jews than Islam for A LONG time.
Look how they return the favor.
Dawah.
And no, the people of the book are headed to hell. Your Qur'an is contradictory on this point.
Quran 3:85
And whoever desires other than Islam as religion - never will it be accepted from him, and he, in the Hereafter, will be among the losers.
5:72-73
They have certainly disbelieved who say, " Allah is the Messiah, the son of Mary" while the Messiah has said, "O Children of Israel, worship Allah , my Lord and your Lord." Indeed, he who associates others with Allah - Allah has forbidden him Paradise, and his refuge is the Fire. And there are not for the wrongdoers any helpers.
They have certainly disbelieved who say, " Allah is the third of three." And there is no god except one God. And if they do not desist from what they are saying, there will surely afflict the disbelievers among them a painful punishment.
SethZaddik
Active Member
A one needs to do is look to Palestine.
Before the European Crusades it was a haven of tolerance for the 4 major religions of the time.
Europeans butchered Jerusalems Muslims and Jews down to the children.
1947, what, exactly, did Palestinians ever do besides taking in refugees and being friends with the Jews who ALREADY lived there and were welcome?
Nothing. And Ashkenazi Jews aren't Semites. They have no right, neither did anyone, to occupy and annex Palestine.
Provide me with a good reason for that invasion and annexation that is the source of all this madness today.
You can't. So be quiet.
I very often see Muslim missionaries on the streets here in the UK. It's pretty common. I don't talk to them myself, but I overhear them trying to get people to visit the mosque etc. I've been handed leaflets etc trying to convince me to become a Muslim, usually by explaining that all other religions are wrong.
As for 'the Jews' - what with this being reality, there is nuance to the political situation in that part of the world.
SethZaddik
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The Ashkenazi were the minority of Jewry pre War, post War, 80 percent.
Hmmm.
Ashkenaz, of Gomer, was a Yaphethite not of Shem or a Semite.
Not Israelites. Jews by conversion only. Not as if they were then they have a right to Palestine, just shows how dumb people are to buy the anti Semite mythos, they are not Semites, or Israelites and literally were allowed to invade, occupy and annex a PEACEFUL nation.
The world just let them. People are idiots.
I see.
Anti-Semitism means prejudice against Jewish people. Etymology doesn't have to make sense.
And Jews are an ethno-religious group. There are black, white, red and green Jews. If a woman converted to Judaism and had a child, the child is a Jew.
I wonder how it works if a pregnant person converts to Judaism like the day before the baby's born vs the day after.
Hahaha oh those nuances.
I edited my post just to 'woman' to make it simpler. Don't know why I didn't before
I think they consider this a political issue not a religious one. They don't believe it was made clear who should be caliph.
I think they feel that Ali and his descendants were appointed to the office of religious leader (Imam) just as Aaron and his descendants
However just as it was okay for Joshua to hold political office while Aaron's descendants held religious office, I think they feel it was okay for the first three caliphs to hold political office of the caliph too when Ali was the Imam
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But what if it's a pregnant transman or nonbinary person? :O This may not be a problem in Orthodox Judaism, admittedly, but for the Reform Jews...
Then again they'd probably accept an adopted kid too so.
From my understanding, not really, although they are perhaps not quite so condemning as Twelvers. Anyway, it's the doctrine of Imamah which makes it.