Darkdale
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jeffrey said:LOL! That's how I knew also. She said stop, so I stopped, she looked at me and said "Why did you stop?".. So... She said stop again, I got up and left, told her I ain't playin this game. Her reality and mine were different. Subjective and relative mean about the same.
What are you talking about? You both were experiencing the exact same reality, you just both had different values. Which is what I was saying earlier in the thread.
Here is an example to help:
Person "A" is a Capitalist & Person "B" is a Socialist.
Here are three facts possible facts.
1. Individuals only pay 5% of their annual earnings in taxes.
2. The economy is growing 8% ever year, but about 15% of the population has entered a cycle of continual decline and the government can't afford to take care of them.
3. The richest man in the nation is a scientist that cured cancer, but he represents literally 5% of the national economy, because he continues to charge people for the operation that only he can give, charging $15,000 per operation.
Now, ask person "A" and person "B", "Is this society just?". You'll get different answers. So you'll want to say that this is proof that we are subjective. Wrong. Totally and utterly wrong.
Person "A" and person "B" have different values, but all of the realities are the same. We can agree on the above three facts, but because we have different values, we come to different conclusions about whether or not the society is just. Reality is objective, but we all have different values and so we draw different conclusions about what reality means. But the meaning of something has nothing to do with the thing itself (the reality)... it has to do with your values and how you feel about that reality. Feelings are subjective; that is to say, your feelings only say something about you.