Trailblazer
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The Baha'i definition is that there is no such thing as a Rapture.Any other definition of Ralpture?? Come on, members.
We think the belief is based upon a misinterpretation of the Bible.
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The Baha'i definition is that there is no such thing as a Rapture.Any other definition of Ralpture?? Come on, members.
True, but Revelation does not mention the Rapture of disappearing people. Rather Revelation mentions the righteous living under the reign of the Christ for a 1000 years - that is quite scientifically possible and I believe will happen.What I was really interested in discussing in this thread is the possibility (if there is one) to describe the Rapture in scientific terms.
Much in Revelation is now appreciable in scientific terms
Rapture is when you get seized and carried away by a raptor:Any other definition of Ralpture?? Come on, members.
This is brilliant! What deranged lunacy!Sorry, but Revelation 13:16 does not mention the European common market.
Yes this is by far the most intelligent interpretation.There are at least four different interpretations of Revelations. You espouse the view called futurism, when believes that everything in Revelation is about the end times. That is popular NOW among evangelicals, but such has not always been the case. For hundreds of years, Protestants preferred the approach known as historicism, in which each of the bowls, trumpets, scrolls, etc are a different period in history. I espouse the view called Preterism. Preterism states that Revelations was about current events during the Jewish-Roman war in the first century. Believers then would have readily known what all the symbolism applied to. For example, Caesar Nero adds to 666, and pagan Rome is the whore of Babylon. You can learn more about Preterism here:
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Yes.
Best book on the subject is called "Revelation: The Four Views" by Steve Gregg. It goes passage by passage giving what each of the four approaches' interpretation is.
True, but Revelation does not mention the Rapture of disappearing people. Rather Revelation mentions the righteous living under the reign of the Christ for a 1000 years - that is quite scientifically possible and I believe will happen.
I would suggest canned soup instead. Soup never goes bad, it lasts well beyond the expiration date, but popcorn goes bad.Far from believing I will myself go through the Tribulation post Rapture, I've actually stocked up on enough popcorn to last me seven years.
The "rapture" is a Christian doctrine first theorized in the 1800s. Rather than the traditional Christian belief that Jesus would only come back a second time at the resurrection, it postulates a three time thing, where before the resurrection he comes back and removes all Christian believers from the earth. There is debate among rapture believers whether this will happen before, during, or after the tribulation. And of course it should be mentioned that the only people who believe in the rapture are those who take a Futurist approach to revelation, which is currently very trendy among evangelicals, replacing historicism, which held sway among protestants for hundreds of years. Adherents to rapture theory basically take a shlew of verses that have been traditionally understood to describe the second coming and resurrection, and reinterpret them as an earlier coming.Any other definition of Ralpture?? Come on, members.
You won't regret it. It is one of the most astounding books on Revelation out there, it has no peer IMHO.I'll check it out . . . .
John
Whether you believe anything in the book of Revelation, you do need to realize that a Rapture with a million or more people disappearing in an instance is not mentioned anywhere in it (it may be mentioned in Thessalonians by Paul). So, there is really no need to look for a scientific possibility for it. However, Revelation does mention a 1000 year reign of the Christ for righteous on Earth - that is scientifically possible.Far from believing I will myself go through the Tribulation post Rapture, I've actually stocked up on enough popcorn to last me seven years.
Whether you believe anything in the book of Revelation, you do need to realize that a Rapture with a million or more people disappearing in an instance is not mentioned anywhere in it (it may be mentioned in Thessalonians by Paul).
The Tanakh (OT) stands quite well on its own.I'm one of those ignorant bible-toters who believe you can't truly understand the Bible and interpret properly unless you believe every book, first testament and second, is part of a whole, such that they all lend themselves to one another without a request for return. If Paul says it in Thessalonians, it overlays Revelation, if and when the two books are speaking of parallel events.
John
The Tanakh (OT) stands quite well on its own.
You may be right. In general, I don't take much of what Paul says too seriously - Paul never met Jesus or discussed anything with him at length. So, he mostly made up his own stuff. (We, of course, know Paul's views on women as well as on slavery).If Paul says it in Thessalonians, it overlays Revelation, if and when the two books are speaking of parallel events.
In this case, religions capture peoples' minds and people are powerless to think objectively about it.Rapture is when you get seized and carried away by a raptor:
There are Jews who are nuts, just like in any other group.Ludwig Wittgenstein, whose father was Jewish, and who's no slouch when it comes to thinking, said to him it seems like a body without a head.
John
There are Jews who are nuts, just like in any other group.
Yep, that is how I see it.In this case, religions capture peoples' minds and people are powerless to think objectively about it.
Rapture = Religious + capture of minds
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