What is nonbinary?

[Shadow Wolf]

"I don't really get non-binary myself"

Same as I don't really get transgenders or non-binary

Yeah, but you come off as not evem wanting to try to understand. I don't get it, I don't understand, at times I think it's because it's youth culture and I'm not young myself, but it is what it is and it does no one any good to intrude and impede and be a jerk because I don't get it. No, I can't tell you why she a tomboy while someone else who seems that way isn't, but oh well. That's all on me and not reason emough to act like my ignorance is garbage to dump on them.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Yeah, the majority of people are civil and respectful in person, regardless of their internal ideas about it.

It's funny how these people who spend so much time complaining about it online very rarely rear their head in person.

I take it's more a social media topic, trending, than it is in real actual life.

 

[King Phenomenon]

How so, if we disagree we are called bigots.

You are a bigot though.

 

[We Never Know]

Yeah, but you come off as not evem wanting to try to understand. I don't get it, I don't understand, at times I think it's because it's youth culture and I'm not young myself, but it is what it is and it does no one any good to intrude and impede and be a jerk because I don't get it. No, I can't tell you why she a tomboy while someone else who seems that way isn't, but oh well. That's all on me and not reason emough to act like my ignorance is garbage to dump on them.

I try to understand others who don't bite my head off when I ask questions like you do. I gave up on you a while back.

 

[JDMS]

I take it's more a social media topic, trending, than it is in real actual life.

You mean the existence of nonbinary people? I think it's much more uncommon in your age bracket, but as someone who spends time at a university, it's definitely not an online phenomenon.

3 out of my 7 coworkers use they/them pronouns and identify as nonbinary. In other spaces I frequent, at least 1 in 10 people identify as nonbinary (EDIT: that may be an overestimation... but I do think its between 5%-10% of the people I meet). I am close with over a dozen nonbinary people in real life.

But from what I've seen, again, most people are civil to my nonbinary friends. They've never experienced hate in person.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Yeah, but you come off as not evem wanting to try to understand. I don't get it, I don't understand, at times I think it's because it's youth culture and I'm not young myself, but it is what it is and it does no one any good to intrude and impede and be a jerk because I don't get it. No, I can't tell you why she a tomboy while someone else who seems that way isn't, but oh well. That's all on me and not reason emough to act like my ignorance is garbage to dump on them.

For what it's worth, there have been a couple of posts where I believe We Never Known has been making a genuine effort and making some good faith inquiries. Can't comment on how they come off overall, though, just want to give at least some credit.

I'd rather believe most people are just on the outside looking in, and finding it difficult, rather than not looking at all. At the very least, I think there's a marked difference between We Never Know and certain other posters.

 

[JDMS]

Yeah, but you come off as not evem wanting to try to understand. I don't get it, I don't understand, at times I think it's because it's youth culture and I'm not young myself, but it is what it is and it does no one any good to intrude and impede and be a jerk because I don't get it. No, I can't tell you why she a tomboy while someone else who seems that way isn't, but oh well. That's all on me and not reason emough to act like my ignorance is garbage to dump on them.

To be fair, while @We Never Know has had some issues in the past (and in particular, perhaps asking someone about their genitals was inappropriate), I feel as though he has made some progress in my time watching, and is typically receptive to non-aggressive feedback. While I can't say I agree with many things he says, I respect that he's far different from certain people here, and at the very least stays curious about the matter rather than being aggressively assertive.

 

[We Never Know]

To be fair, while @We Never Know has had some issues in the past (and in particular, perhaps asking someone about their genitals was inappropriate), I feel as though he has made some progress in my time watching, and is typically receptive to non-aggressive feedback. While I can't say I agree with many things he says, I respect that he's far different from certain people here, and at the very least stays curious about the matter rather than being aggressively assertive.

I ask many questions even some that may be seen as inappropriate.

Those questions tell me if they are fully transitioned or are still male but living as a female.

Question are better than this lol

Edit......

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

I ask many questions even some that may be seen as inappropriate.

Those questions tell me if they are fully transitioned or are still male but living as a female.

As long as you understand sex, gender and sexuality as different, then ok.

 

[We Never Know]

As long as you understand sex, gender and sexuality as different, then ok.

See my edit

 

[JDMS]

I ask many questions even some that may be seen as inappropriate.

Those questions tell me if they are fully transitioned or are still male but living as a female.

Which, in my opinion, is an unfair thing to ask unless you plan on having sexual relations with someone, or otherwise have good reason to ask. I can only think of a few situations where would be appropriate to ask about someone's sensitive medical history or private parts. There's a reason why HIPAA privacy rights and other things exist.

 

[We Never Know]

As long as you understand sex, gender and sexuality as different, then ok.

I think many people don't understand that. That's what discussion, including questions try to help clear up the confusion.

 

[We Never Know]

Which, in my opinion, is an unfair thing to ask unless you plan on having sexual relations with someone, or otherwise have good reason to ask. I can only think of a few situations where would be appropriate to ask about someone's sensitive medical history or private parts. There's a reason why HIPAA privacy rights and other things exist.

If they aren't fully transitioned I will generally view them as a male living as a female.

If they are fully transitioned, then hopefully they have body parts that match the mind.

It may sound cruel or mean but that's how I see it.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

I think many people don't understand that. That's what discussion, including questions try to help clear up the confusion.

The trick is that what is between your legs is not the same as what goes on in your brain.
Sex is the outwards, gender and sexuality is the inwards.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

If they aren't fully transitioned I will generally view them as a male living as a female.

If they are fully transitioned, then hopefully they have body parts that match the mind.

It may sound cruel or mean but that's how I see it.

But that you view them, is not something you see, that is a cognitive process in your brain.

 

[Kfox]

Except how they do that varies, and has always varied.

Also, it's probably more like 99/98%.

Also, as we have already established, you cannot assess their biology - you can only assess their appearance or what they tell you.

My point is; their biology has a lot to do with it.

Right, so restricting classifications to biology is useless.

No, it tells (for example) men who don’t align with male stereotypes that you don’t have to fit those stereotypes in order to be a man.

The same. Some mammals are also born with a mix of feminine or masculine traits, or both or neither set of genitalia.

Same as what? Your claim was that only mammals are bimodal; not humans. It sounds like from your description bimodal is the same as binary.

 

[JDMS]

If they aren't fully transitioned I will generally view them as a male living as a female.

If they are fully transitioned, then hopefully they have body parts that match the mind.

It may sound cruel or mean but that's how I see it.

I find this perspective to be curious. No offense. I just don't understand it.

Do you believe that sex reassignment surgeries actually change the sex of the person, or do you believe that it merely changes the appearance and functionality of the genitals?

I want to be clear before I continue.

 

[We Never Know]

But that you view them, is not something you see, that is a cognitive process in your brain.

To a point I agree. Its basically "don't judge a book by its cover"

Yet DNA study is a scientific/biological process that will still show a transgender female as male(or transgender male as female).

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Same as what? Your claim was that only mammals are bimodal; not humans. It sounds like from your description bimodal is the same as binary.

We are not mammals and our brains are not biological. We are so special that we are not a part of nature. To claim that we are natural is abnormal and wrong.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

To a point I agree. Its basically "don't judge a book by its cover"

Yet DNA study is a scientific/biological process that will still show a transgender female as male(or transgender male as female).

The problem is that DNA seems not to be as simple as it was once taught.