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What is Heaven?
- Thread starter lunamoth
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xkatz
Well-Known Member
Union with G-d, not a literal place.
lunamoth
Will to love
So, one does not actually 'go' to heaven. How is heaven attained?
lunamoth
Will to love
On heaven, God, and love, Process and Reality by Alfred Whitehead:
What is done in the world is transformed into a reality in heaven, and the reality in heaven passes back into the world. By reason of this reciprocal relation, the love in the world passes into the love in heaven, and floods back again into the world. In this sense, God is the great companion -- the fellow sufferer who understands.
What is done in the world is transformed into a reality in heaven, and the reality in heaven passes back into the world. By reason of this reciprocal relation, the love in the world passes into the love in heaven, and floods back again into the world. In this sense, God is the great companion -- the fellow sufferer who understands.
xkatz
Well-Known Member
One does not 'go' to Heaven. At least, not as an afterlife. As to how it is attained, I would say it is by being a good and righteous person.
lunamoth
Will to love
So heaven is in this life. Do you believe in a continuation of life after this mortal life?
xkatz
Well-Known Member
I don't think it's likely. So, I would have to say no.
Where Is God
Creator
An Earth where no one fights or kills or steals or pollutes or hates or lies. An Earth where everyone can just chill in peace.
lunamoth
Will to love
So, if God's will is always for love, peace, honesty, etc., and one aligns oneself with God's will (union with God), would that lead to heaven?
Where Is God
Creator
No, God's will is for humans to fight over him. We see it every day. Also he doesn't seem to like gays so that isn't ok in my book. Even if everyone aligned with "God" Earth would still be a crappy place to live in.
Morpheus
Member
I see heaven as a state of mind - a way of being. This way of being continues with our spirit after physical death. So in a way you can have 'heaven on earth', by being an example of unconditional love.
But I agree also with xkatz, heaven is closeness, or union, with the Creator. Rather than a 'place'.
Actually, outside of this physical realm, there is no 'place' and no 'time'. These are constructs of human imagination. Hence the saying: "God is nowhere and everywhere".
But I agree also with xkatz, heaven is closeness, or union, with the Creator. Rather than a 'place'.
Actually, outside of this physical realm, there is no 'place' and no 'time'. These are constructs of human imagination. Hence the saying: "God is nowhere and everywhere".
lunamoth
Will to love
I don't see it that way. If I thought that was God's will, I'd choose to be an anti-theist.
Where Is God
Creator
From a neutral objective third party of religion, what I described seems to be generally God's will.
lunamoth
Will to love
What you described seems more like human will than God's will.
Do you really see yourself this way?
Where Is God
Creator
I don't believe in god so the only will he may have IS the will given to him by humans my dear. Unfortunate reality.
Where Is God
Creator
More or less
lunamoth
Will to love
I like this.
From your perspective, would a person actually need to believe in God to enter heaven?
Where Is God
Creator
This is where I got my username from, where is heaven?