What is God responsible for?

[Trailblazer]

Because everyone is responsible for the consequences of their actions.

If things would be a particular way if you did an action and some other way if you didn't do the action, then the difference between those two outcomes is the consequence of the decision.

We're all responsible for the foreseeable consequences of our decisions, even if those consequences involve the actions of other people.

So what you are really saying is that you think that God is responsible for His inaction, but that would only hold true if God was responsible to act in the first place. God is not accountable to anyone because God is above all of His Creation. Humans cannot hold higher being accountable for His actions, not anymore than a plant can hold an animal accountable for not getting watered.

Because if God existed, every factor that might cause a person not to follow God's teachings and laws would be within God's control.

Of course God could control humans and make them follow His teachings and laws if God chose to because God is all-powerful, but God does not want to control humans; otherwise God would not have given humans free will so they could control themselves. An all-powerful God only does what he chooses to do and since humans are not all-powerful they cannot do anything about what God chooses NOT to do.

That can't be right. If all that were true - and if God existed - then everyone would follow God's teachings. Try again.

No, they wouldn’t all follow God’s teachings and laws, because humans have free will, so they can choose NOT to follow God’s teachings and laws.

This seems like a very weak, limited God you believe in.

No, quite the contrary, He is a God that is all-powerful so He chooses not to take care of the world for humans since God wants humans to take care of the world by themselves.

Humans are moral agents. God, if he were real, would be a moral agent.

God is not a moral agent since God is not a human. God sets the moral standards for humans to follow, but God is not subject to those standards since only human are subject to moral behavior.

moral: concerned with the principles of right and wrong behavior and the goodness or badness of human character. https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=moral+means

It is not God’s job to intervene in human affairs except when He sends Messengers. If God intervened that would take away the need for humans to be responsible and accountable for their own actions.

It's the job of every moral agent to behave ethically.

God is not a moral agent.

What does it mean to be a moral agent?

A moral agent is any person or collective entity with the capacity to exercise moral agency. It is suggested that rational thought and deliberation are prerequisite skills for any agent. In this way, moral agents can discern between right and wrong and be held accountable for the consequences of their actions.

Moral Agency - Physiopedia

I'm not suggesting that we should apply human standards to God. I'm saying that we should apply the standards of a moral agent to God.

And I am saying we cannot apply those standards to God because God is not a human being with the capacity for moral agency. God does not need to discern right from wrong because an all-knowing God by His very nature KNOWS what is right and wrong. That is why God sets the standards for right and wrong.

If you really think that God couldn't fix the mess he created without making things worse, well... it seems like you have a very low opinion of your God.

The mess God created? Wake up and smell the coffee. The only messes we see in this world are the messes humans have created.

The people who died when that bridge collapsed and the metro car slammed into the street below: what lesson did they learn from that failure?

Everything that happens in life is not fir the purpose of learning a lesson. Sometimes things happen that are tragic, that is called fate. You can blame God for those things of you want to because that is appropriate since God determined our fate.

Ah... so now you do think suffering was created by God, but created for a purpose?
What purpose?

God did not create suffering but God created a material world in which humans will suffer. The purpose for suffering is to learn lessons and grow spiritually and thus prepare ourselves for life in the next world, which is a spiritual world. There will be no more suffering in the next world if we adequately prepared ourselves in this world.

I'm talking about intervening in terms of, say, stopping a bullet... or slowing down a plummeting metro car so that the people inside survive.

I bet if you had the power, you would have saved the people on that train, right? If you could have saved those two dozen lives, would you have said "nope! Not going to do anything. I'll stand by and watch as they die to teach somebody somewhere responsibility or something"?

Of course most humans would want to save lives, but God is not a human. God might sometimes intervene and save lives, but there is no way to determine if or when God is involved. It all depends upon our fate, and that is a complex subject.

Such is the nature of this material realm of existence, some people suffer and die and others hardly suffer at all and live long and happy lives. It does not seem fair but in my religion there are assurances that those who suffer most in this world reap the most rewards in the next world and as such they are much better off in the end, and since the next life is forever whereas this world is very temporary.

 

[rational experiences]

So what you are really saying is that you think that God is responsible for His inaction, but that would only hold true if God was responsible to act in the first place. God is not accountable to anyone because God is above all of His Creation. Humans cannot hold higher being accountable for His actions, not anymore than a plant can hold an animal accountable for not getting watered.

Of course God could control humans and make them follow His teachings and laws if God chose to because God is all-powerful, but God does not want to control humans; otherwise God would not have given humans free will so they could control themselves. An all-powerful God only does what he chooses to do and since humans are not all-powerful they cannot do anything about what God chooses NOT to do.

No, they wouldn’t all follow God’s teachings and laws, because humans have free will, so they can choose NOT to follow God’s teachings and laws.

No, quite the contrary, He is a God that is all-powerful so He chooses not to take care of the world for humans since God wants humans to take care of the world by themselves.

God is not a moral agent since God is not a human. God sets the moral standards for humans to follow, but God is not subject to those standards since only human are subject to moral behavior.

moral: concerned with the principles of right and wrong behavior and the goodness or badness of human character. https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=moral+means

It is not God’s job to intervene in human affairs except when He sends Messengers. If God intervened that would take away the need for humans to be responsible and accountable for their own actions.

God is not a moral agent.

What does it mean to be a moral agent?

A moral agent is any person or collective entity with the capacity to exercise moral agency. It is suggested that rational thought and deliberation are prerequisite skills for any agent. In this way, moral agents can discern between right and wrong and be held accountable for the consequences of their actions.

Moral Agency - Physiopedia

And I am saying we cannot apply those standards to God because God is not a human being with the capacity for moral agency. God does not need to discern right from wrong because an all-knowing God by His very nature KNOWS what is right and wrong. That is why God sets the standards for right and wrong.

The mess God created? Wake up and smell the coffee. The only messes we see in this world are the messes humans have created.

Everything that happens in life is not fir the purpose of learning a lesson. Sometimes things happen that are tragic, that is called fate. You can blame God for those things of you want to because that is appropriate since God determined our fate.

God did not create suffering but God created a material world in which humans will suffer. The purpose for suffering is to learn lessons and grow spiritually and thus prepare ourselves for life in the next world, which is a spiritual world. There will be no more suffering in the next world if we adequately prepared ourselves in this world.

Of course most humans would want to save lives, but God is not a human. God might sometimes intervene and save lives, but there is no way to determine if or when God is involved. It all depends upon our fate, and that is a complex subject.

Such is the nature of this material realm of existence, some people suffer and die and others hardly suffer at all and live long and happy lives. It does not seem fair but in my religion there are assurances that those who suffer most in this world reap the most rewards in the next world and as such they are much better off in the end, and since the next life is forever whereas this world is very temporary.

God is not science in other words.