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What if Eve hadn't listened to the snake?
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whereismynotecard
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Well, if that hadn't happened then instead of people calling manipulative people "snakes," they would just call them *******.
enchanted_one1975
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Post withdrawn as to not get on Quagmire's bad side. Sorry guys! Sometimes I have a twisted sense of humor!
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Venatoris
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Well, I suppose we would all be sitting in the garden of eden right now, wearing fig leaves and enjoying paradise.:beach:
Evee
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Forget the fig leaves; I'd be naked!
I guess the easy answer is to say that later on, somebody would have eaten the fruit and THEN world history would have unfolded much the same as it already has. But supposing nobody ever ate the fruit, life would be unimaginably different. There'd be no Torah, no quest to perfect the world, probably way fewer people, too. Our lives would have little purpose, wouldn't they? They'd just be time spent chilling out with each other and with G-d, loving pretty much everything and sleeping 10 hours a night.
I guess the easy answer is to say that later on, somebody would have eaten the fruit and THEN world history would have unfolded much the same as it already has. But supposing nobody ever ate the fruit, life would be unimaginably different. There'd be no Torah, no quest to perfect the world, probably way fewer people, too. Our lives would have little purpose, wouldn't they? They'd just be time spent chilling out with each other and with G-d, loving pretty much everything and sleeping 10 hours a night.
linwood
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godnotgod
Thou art That
Now, how about if that story, which has been handed down to most of mankind as the authentic one, is but a corruption of an earlier, little known tale, one that, as I recall, came out of Persia? How about if, instead of the poor little snake being some evil and/or Satanic figure, was, instead, God himself, who transformed himself into the serpent? What, you say? Why, that is sheer nonsense, if not outright blasphemy! Everyone knows the snake is the devil! Well, let us have a closer look, shall we?
So here we have God telling his children that everything in the Garden is theirs, save for one thing: stay away from the Tree of the Forbidden Fruit! Then God 'goes away'. Uh huh. Sure. Now, you tell your children that they can have everything their little hearts desire in a room full of toys, but must stay away from that box over in the corner. "OK, children? Is that understood?" "Yes, daddy." Now daddy goes away. Where is the first place the children will go? Uh huh.
So what's going on here? What the orthodox story is leaving out (or rather, what the readers fail to intuitively understand), is that God, in laying down the Law, is winking at the same time. You see, God wants his children to eat of the 'Forbidden Fruit'! By creating a psychological device, a piece de resistance, he insures that they will. But why? Well, you see, God wants his children to share in his Joy absolutely, but they are human. Their minds think as humans do. In order for them to see on the same level as that of God's, their limited minds must first be raised and transformed. The so-called 'Forbidden Fruit' is a symbol for Higher Consciousness, or God Consciousness. This is the true, unconditional gift of the Divine Essence to man. There is no devil. The snake, as I mentioned, is God himself, transformed in order to insure that his children partake of the Fruit.
Now, remember what the serpent told Eve: that God did not want them to eat of the Fruit because they would then see as He sees. This is none other than God Consciousness. So now, not only is there a taboo in place, but a prize available to them if the taboo is broken.
Folks, Adam and Eve did'nt stand a snowflake's chance in Hell! God knew exactly what He was doing. If we follow the original story-line, it leads directly to Heaven. Union with the Divine Essence is completely achieved in the Here and Now. Story end. All's well that ends well.
There was no Original Sin.
There is no Devil.
But something went terribly wrong in the telling of this story. The unscrupulous priests got ahold of it, and used it to keep their congregations in fear as a means to extract monies from them. After all, Adam and Eve had broken God's Holy Commandment, did'nt they, and all their progeny were automatically in danger of eternal Hellfire. unless they repented and were saved...and threw a few coins at the priests who acted as spokesmen between man and God. Today, the airwaves are filled with every manner of charlatan, preaching repentance and salvation...while they retreat to their sunny Italian villas or dart around the globe in their Lear jets, like Benny Hinn does.
In the original story, we have union with the Divine Essence, which is the goal of all religious endeavor.
In the orthodox view, we have separation from God.
In the original story, we have Absolute Joy available to man right now.
"The Kingdom of God is [already] within you"
In the orthodox view, man must suffer and die before he can get to Heaven. Buddhists call this path "the long way home."
In the original story, it is all about union with the Divine Essence. This is the mystical experience. God is within.
In the orthodox view, it is about Obedience to God's Law. Man remains always subservient to God. God is external.
In the original story, there is no Devil.
In the orthodox view, a bloodthirsty fiend stalks mankind night and day for the express purpose of capturing and enslaving his soul.
The orthodox view involves Sin, Suffering, a divine sacrificial host in the form of Jesus, Crucifixion, Resurrection, etc. as payment for Sin, while, on the part of man, it involves Contrition and Repentance. The God Yaweh is angry and must be appeased, and the only pure host is his only son. This, however, is a human theme, not a divine one, contrary to what we have been indoctrinated with. Why? Simply because the Love of God is Unconditional. To demand payment via of bloody human sacrifice is Conditional. It is a Contract, a Covenant, and not Love at all. It is, in fact, a fear-driven tribal and superstitious belief, but with an elaborate ritualistic superstructure built on top of it to create an aura of mystery, holiness, and authority; it is, in fact, a cleverly concocted deception of the first magnitude. Holy Mumbo-Jumbo!
Obedience to God's Law is all about Morality and the eternal conflict between Good and Evil and being governed from the outside. You are nothing more than a created thing, totally at the mercy of your creator-God.
The mystical experience of divine union is about Virtue and being directed unerringly from within: Essence and Law are one and the same. The Divine Essence unfolds from within you. You are the living Godhead him/herself, in the flesh!
No, God never took his eye off the ball even for one nano-second. Man allowed his eye to become blinded by Desire and Fear.
And so, we must make efforts to learn how to see correctly once again.
No. Seeing is NOT believing. It is seeing Reality just as it is, instead of believing how one thinks it to be.
Forbidden Fruit, anyone?
Yum!
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godnotgod
Thou art That
At This Point I Must Make It Clear That The Name Nakhash - Aramic - Being Used For Serpent Simply Means A Whisperer . The Word Serpent Is A Derivative Of Seraph - Aramic - Meaning 'Burning , Fire ' Seraphim - Aramic - Meaning 'Firty Serpent ' , A Symbol Of Protection , To The House Of The Most High , Those That Were There To Serve Yahweh , As Used By Moses In Numbers 21 ; 9 , Where You'll Find The Word Serpent Yet In Hebrew Nakhash - Aramic - To Protect The Children Of Israel In Their Travel Through The Wilderness Out Of Egypt , Where It Is Called A Uraeus , Or Cobra , Representing The Goddess Radjet , A Symbol Also Born By The Egyptian Deities Amun -Ra And Har ( Horus ) , And Has Been Adopted As The Caudesus , Used As A Symbol Of Health , And Called The Kundalint , The Sleeping Serpent . Also Read Genesis 3 ; 1 . .
The Some Christians Claim That Eve Ate Of The Apple Of The Tree In The Enclosed Garden , However If You Look At The Quote Genesid 3 ; 2 , It Says ; '' ... We May Eat Of The < Feree > Fruit Of The < Ates > Trees Of The Garden , .... And The Aramic Hebrew Word Used For Fruit Is < Feree > Meaning ' Fruit , Offspring , Produce Of The Ground . This Is Not The Same As The Word Used In Song Of Solomon 2 ; 3 , Where It Says ; As The < Taffooak > Apple Tree Among The Trees Of The Wood ...
And The Word Used Here Is < Taffooak > Meaning ' Apple Tree . In Ashuric ( Arabic ) It Is Tufaha . This Word Is Not Used Anywhere In The Torah . When It Mentions The < Feree > Fruit Of The Tree In Genesis Chapter 3 , It Has Nothing To Do With An Apple . Yet , The Fruit Of This Garden Was Called An Apple For The Well Known < Rimmown > -Aramic - Prmegranate Apple Worn On The Kohane Priest Robe In Exodus 28 ; 30 - 34 And Exodus 39 ; 26 . This Symbplic Apple At The End Of The < Meheel > - Aramic - Robe Was A Poppy Seed Also Called < Qat -Arabic - The Pomegranate Resembles The Poppy Seed And Is An Intoxicant Producting A Flower That Is Yellow , Rose Pink , Scarlet , Red , Orange Or White , That Is Pleasant To The Eye As Well . The Poppy Seed Is Also Used As Food . It Is Used As Flavoring And Yields A Oil To Make It Good , And Then The Poppy Seed Is Transformed Into Opium , That Eludes One Into Thinking They Are Wise , Genesis 3 ; 6 . This Is How The Name Apple Got Confused With The Pomegranate Apple Of That Day Which Is A Replica In Appearance To The Poppy Plant . Also Read Genesis 3 ; 3 - 5
Partaking Of The Tree Of Lust Refer To Genesis 3 ; 6 . In Genesis 2 ; 7 Qadmon , Called Also Adam , Or Zakar , And Nekaybow , Called Also Hawwah , Or Eve , < Ahyin > 'Eyes Because < Fawkakh > Open , And They Became Aware . Their Private Parts Were There , But Nudity Was Not Looked At As Shame , Except In The Land Of Nud , Which Is Nod In Aramic ( Hebrew ) . The Moment They Got Intoxicated , They Both Inherited Stimulation ; That's Why They Say , '' And They Knew That They Were Without Clothes '' . Qadmon Adam , Or Zakar Had Got An Erection , And Nekaybow ,Hawwah , Eve's Mammilla Teat That Is The Nipples Of Her Areoli , Mammaries Erected , Thus They Began Lusting After Each Other . The Eloheem Wanted To Raise Adam And Eve To A Certain Age And Prepare Them Before They Would Have Children , So There Wouldn't Be No Imbalancement Or Defects . Now That They Took Of The Intoxicating Fruit Of The Tree, Their Eyes Became Open .
Now , Notice Their Eyes Became Open . Now , Notice What It Says ; Their Eyes Became Open And They Knew That They Were < Awrone > Naked '' , It Didn't Say , The Eyes Became Open , And Right Away They Knew About Agreeable And Disagreeable '' , The Drug Stimulated Them And They Became Sexually Attracted To Each Other . So What They Did Ws . After They Indulged In Sex , They Sewed Fifs Leaves Together , And Covered Their Private Parts . They Made A Apron . So Of Course , Lust Shifted From The Actual To The Suspense ; Meaning No Longer Was Eve Stimulated By Merely Looking At His Penis , She Was Now Stimulated By The Thought ; And No Longer Was Adam Stimulated By Looking At Eve's Vagina And Breast ; But He Was Now Stimulated By The Thought . Interest Shifted From The Physical Act Of People Walking Around Naked To The Hidden . So It Changed To Lust , Which Is Rooted From The Word Luster 'To Be Attracted . Refer To Genesis 3 ; 7 - 13 , The Punishment Verse 14 .
Make Note Of The Hebrew Word Zehrah - Aramic - ' Seed ( Genesis 3 ; 15 ) Being Used For Both Eve's Descendants And The Serpent's [ Nakhash ] Descendants . It Is Clear At This Point According To The Scriptures That This Serpent Of Genesis Chapter Three , Has Descendants Meaning A Genealogy , A Family , A Wife , And Children . This Is Not A Snake , But The Word Being Used For Serpent Is Nakhash - Aramic - Meaning '' Whisperer ' , A Talking Being With A Larynx And A Voice Box Who Spoke To Eve In The Garden . One Who Lived Before Her And Obviously Learned How To Speak From Someone Or Somebody , And Spoke A Specific Language That She Overstood . Also Read Genesis 3 ; 15 - 17 .
The Reading Of The Akasha Records Beneath The Asa , Ates - Aramic - Tree Is Symbolic Of The Tree Alphabets , Also Called The Tree Of Toth , Which Reveals The Mysteries . It Was Recorded In A Form Of Cuneiform Called Ates - In Aramic ( Hebrew ) And Asa In Ashuric Syriac ( Arabic ) , Meaning 'An Upright Stick , Staff , Cane , Because The Script Was Based On Vertical And Horizontal Wedges As The Branches Of A Tree . The Tree Of Knowledge Of Good And Evil Is Symbolic Of The Receiving Of Will , The Decision Making Process That Leads One To Be Agreeable Or To Make The Decision To Disagree . This Is What Was Contained In The Akasha Records That Was Not For They Eyes Of Adam . Yet , He Did Read It And His Eyes Were Opened Transforming From Immortal As A Deity To Mortality As A Human , From A Being Without Destiny To A Being Destined . Also Read Genesis 3 ; 18 - 21 .
The Some Christians Claim That Eve Ate Of The Apple Of The Tree In The Enclosed Garden , However If You Look At The Quote Genesid 3 ; 2 , It Says ; '' ... We May Eat Of The < Feree > Fruit Of The < Ates > Trees Of The Garden , .... And The Aramic Hebrew Word Used For Fruit Is < Feree > Meaning ' Fruit , Offspring , Produce Of The Ground . This Is Not The Same As The Word Used In Song Of Solomon 2 ; 3 , Where It Says ; As The < Taffooak > Apple Tree Among The Trees Of The Wood ...
And The Word Used Here Is < Taffooak > Meaning ' Apple Tree . In Ashuric ( Arabic ) It Is Tufaha . This Word Is Not Used Anywhere In The Torah . When It Mentions The < Feree > Fruit Of The Tree In Genesis Chapter 3 , It Has Nothing To Do With An Apple . Yet , The Fruit Of This Garden Was Called An Apple For The Well Known < Rimmown > -Aramic - Prmegranate Apple Worn On The Kohane Priest Robe In Exodus 28 ; 30 - 34 And Exodus 39 ; 26 . This Symbplic Apple At The End Of The < Meheel > - Aramic - Robe Was A Poppy Seed Also Called < Qat -Arabic - The Pomegranate Resembles The Poppy Seed And Is An Intoxicant Producting A Flower That Is Yellow , Rose Pink , Scarlet , Red , Orange Or White , That Is Pleasant To The Eye As Well . The Poppy Seed Is Also Used As Food . It Is Used As Flavoring And Yields A Oil To Make It Good , And Then The Poppy Seed Is Transformed Into Opium , That Eludes One Into Thinking They Are Wise , Genesis 3 ; 6 . This Is How The Name Apple Got Confused With The Pomegranate Apple Of That Day Which Is A Replica In Appearance To The Poppy Plant . Also Read Genesis 3 ; 3 - 5
Partaking Of The Tree Of Lust Refer To Genesis 3 ; 6 . In Genesis 2 ; 7 Qadmon , Called Also Adam , Or Zakar , And Nekaybow , Called Also Hawwah , Or Eve , < Ahyin > 'Eyes Because < Fawkakh > Open , And They Became Aware . Their Private Parts Were There , But Nudity Was Not Looked At As Shame , Except In The Land Of Nud , Which Is Nod In Aramic ( Hebrew ) . The Moment They Got Intoxicated , They Both Inherited Stimulation ; That's Why They Say , '' And They Knew That They Were Without Clothes '' . Qadmon Adam , Or Zakar Had Got An Erection , And Nekaybow ,Hawwah , Eve's Mammilla Teat That Is The Nipples Of Her Areoli , Mammaries Erected , Thus They Began Lusting After Each Other . The Eloheem Wanted To Raise Adam And Eve To A Certain Age And Prepare Them Before They Would Have Children , So There Wouldn't Be No Imbalancement Or Defects . Now That They Took Of The Intoxicating Fruit Of The Tree, Their Eyes Became Open .
Now , Notice Their Eyes Became Open . Now , Notice What It Says ; Their Eyes Became Open And They Knew That They Were < Awrone > Naked '' , It Didn't Say , The Eyes Became Open , And Right Away They Knew About Agreeable And Disagreeable '' , The Drug Stimulated Them And They Became Sexually Attracted To Each Other . So What They Did Ws . After They Indulged In Sex , They Sewed Fifs Leaves Together , And Covered Their Private Parts . They Made A Apron . So Of Course , Lust Shifted From The Actual To The Suspense ; Meaning No Longer Was Eve Stimulated By Merely Looking At His Penis , She Was Now Stimulated By The Thought ; And No Longer Was Adam Stimulated By Looking At Eve's Vagina And Breast ; But He Was Now Stimulated By The Thought . Interest Shifted From The Physical Act Of People Walking Around Naked To The Hidden . So It Changed To Lust , Which Is Rooted From The Word Luster 'To Be Attracted . Refer To Genesis 3 ; 7 - 13 , The Punishment Verse 14 .
Make Note Of The Hebrew Word Zehrah - Aramic - ' Seed ( Genesis 3 ; 15 ) Being Used For Both Eve's Descendants And The Serpent's [ Nakhash ] Descendants . It Is Clear At This Point According To The Scriptures That This Serpent Of Genesis Chapter Three , Has Descendants Meaning A Genealogy , A Family , A Wife , And Children . This Is Not A Snake , But The Word Being Used For Serpent Is Nakhash - Aramic - Meaning '' Whisperer ' , A Talking Being With A Larynx And A Voice Box Who Spoke To Eve In The Garden . One Who Lived Before Her And Obviously Learned How To Speak From Someone Or Somebody , And Spoke A Specific Language That She Overstood . Also Read Genesis 3 ; 15 - 17 .
The Reading Of The Akasha Records Beneath The Asa , Ates - Aramic - Tree Is Symbolic Of The Tree Alphabets , Also Called The Tree Of Toth , Which Reveals The Mysteries . It Was Recorded In A Form Of Cuneiform Called Ates - In Aramic ( Hebrew ) And Asa In Ashuric Syriac ( Arabic ) , Meaning 'An Upright Stick , Staff , Cane , Because The Script Was Based On Vertical And Horizontal Wedges As The Branches Of A Tree . The Tree Of Knowledge Of Good And Evil Is Symbolic Of The Receiving Of Will , The Decision Making Process That Leads One To Be Agreeable Or To Make The Decision To Disagree . This Is What Was Contained In The Akasha Records That Was Not For They Eyes Of Adam . Yet , He Did Read It And His Eyes Were Opened Transforming From Immortal As A Deity To Mortality As A Human , From A Being Without Destiny To A Being Destined . Also Read Genesis 3 ; 18 - 21 .
The Knowldge Of Agreeable From Disagreeable ~ A Yahuwa Of The Eloheem Said Behold , ( Talking To The Cherubeems ) Now Adam Has Become As < Ekhawd > - Aramic - ' One ' Of < Naw > 'Us ' , A Disagreeable Being For He Was Already Created Agreeable . So This Could Only Mean He Became Something New , Which Would Be Like The Disagreeable Cherubeems ; His < Ahyin > 'Eyes ' Are < Fawkakh > 'Open . When It Says One Of Us , It's Implying As One Of The Cherubeems , Those Guarding The East End Of The Enclosed Garden As In Genesis 3 ; 24 . He Now < Yawdah > 'Knows , Meaning He Has Will Power Now . He Has It In His Nature . The < Naw > Being Used In The Hebrew For Us , Also Implies That There Were More Than One Yahuwa Involved In This Situation . This Was The 24 Yahwehs Or Elders Which Were In The Garden Of Eden , 12 Agreeable ( Serapheems ) And 12 Disagreeable ( Cherubeems ) Called Luciferians .
So Adam Now < Yawdah > 'Knows Pleasure From Pain , Sober From Intoxication , Right From Wrong And Disagreeable From Agreeable . He's Been Confronted With Deception , Because He's Been Deceived . He Tried To Lie And Pervert Thoughts . He Is Just Like < Ekhawd > - Aramic - ' One ' Of < Naw > 'Us ' , [ Those Disagreeable Ones , And Us Agreeable Ones ] . In The State That Adam Is In , He's Not Entitled To What He Was Created To Get ; His Divinity As A Etherian Again Which Would Be Eternal Life . He Must Pass Through Stages , And This Stage That You're Passing Through Is A 6,000 Year Period From Adam's Expulsion Without His Barathary Gland And His Four Higher Senses Of Divinity Namely ; 1 . Intuition , 2 . Clairvoyance , 3 . Phychometry , 4 Telepathy . And From The Enclosed Garden Of Delight Until The End Of This Era , Also Read Genesis 3 ; 22 - 23 .
The Eloheem Had To Force Zakar / Adam And Nekaybaw / Eve Leave The Enclosed Garden Of Delight . They Never Mention That In The Bible . The Aramic Hebrew Word Used In Genesis 3 ; 24 Is < Gawrash > Meaning 'Evicted To Drive Out . They Did Not Want To Leave , So They Drove Them Out . That's Why In Genesis 3 ; 24 . They Put Cherubeem , The Second Order Of Angelic Hierarchy . As The Two Cherubeems , Also Called Kerubim , That Protected The Mercy Seat ( Exodus 25 ; 18 - 20 ) , Or Cover Of The Ark In The Holy Of Holies . Their Symbol Was Of The Kareb Meaning 'Near Ones , Or The Kerubi Of The Assyrians , Karab - Bull Headed With Extended Wings , In Egypt In Front Of A Naos As Protecors , Faces Of Men , Bodies Of Bull With Extended Wings . Disagreeable Angelic Beings , The Wicked Ones . And It Is Necesary To Put Wicked Beings To Guard The East End Of The Gate , Because Adam Was Going To Try To Get Back Into The Garden , So They Had To Protect It . The Order Of Cherubeems [ Men , Warriors ] That Did Not Like Adam , But Knew They Were Stationed At The East End Of The Garden . Why The East ? Because The Easterm Side Of The Garden Of Delight Was Facing Nod ,
The Persian Gulf Area From Which Nakhaas Entered . The Western Side Of The Garden Of Delight Was Pointing Towards The Nile . They Were Worried About The People At The Tigris And Euphrates , That's Where Adam And Eve Were Put Out . They Ended Up Migrating Towards Sawdeh - Aramic - , The Outer Field , Called Sudan , Nubia , The First Cuwsh - Aramic , Kish , Genesis 2 ; 13 , Where You See Ethiopia , In Hebrew You Find Kush , Long Before The Cush Of Genesis 10 ; 6 Was Born . Adam Wanted To Get To The Tree Of Khayyim - Aramic - Divine Life ' , People Have Ben Seeking That Tree , And They Call It The Fountain Of Youth , And Have Been Trying To Find Ways To Preserve Life . In Actuality It Is Symbolic Of Herbivorism .
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Dr. Malachi Z . York 33 / 720
So Adam Now < Yawdah > 'Knows Pleasure From Pain , Sober From Intoxication , Right From Wrong And Disagreeable From Agreeable . He's Been Confronted With Deception , Because He's Been Deceived . He Tried To Lie And Pervert Thoughts . He Is Just Like < Ekhawd > - Aramic - ' One ' Of < Naw > 'Us ' , [ Those Disagreeable Ones , And Us Agreeable Ones ] . In The State That Adam Is In , He's Not Entitled To What He Was Created To Get ; His Divinity As A Etherian Again Which Would Be Eternal Life . He Must Pass Through Stages , And This Stage That You're Passing Through Is A 6,000 Year Period From Adam's Expulsion Without His Barathary Gland And His Four Higher Senses Of Divinity Namely ; 1 . Intuition , 2 . Clairvoyance , 3 . Phychometry , 4 Telepathy . And From The Enclosed Garden Of Delight Until The End Of This Era , Also Read Genesis 3 ; 22 - 23 .
The Eloheem Had To Force Zakar / Adam And Nekaybaw / Eve Leave The Enclosed Garden Of Delight . They Never Mention That In The Bible . The Aramic Hebrew Word Used In Genesis 3 ; 24 Is < Gawrash > Meaning 'Evicted To Drive Out . They Did Not Want To Leave , So They Drove Them Out . That's Why In Genesis 3 ; 24 . They Put Cherubeem , The Second Order Of Angelic Hierarchy . As The Two Cherubeems , Also Called Kerubim , That Protected The Mercy Seat ( Exodus 25 ; 18 - 20 ) , Or Cover Of The Ark In The Holy Of Holies . Their Symbol Was Of The Kareb Meaning 'Near Ones , Or The Kerubi Of The Assyrians , Karab - Bull Headed With Extended Wings , In Egypt In Front Of A Naos As Protecors , Faces Of Men , Bodies Of Bull With Extended Wings . Disagreeable Angelic Beings , The Wicked Ones . And It Is Necesary To Put Wicked Beings To Guard The East End Of The Gate , Because Adam Was Going To Try To Get Back Into The Garden , So They Had To Protect It . The Order Of Cherubeems [ Men , Warriors ] That Did Not Like Adam , But Knew They Were Stationed At The East End Of The Garden . Why The East ? Because The Easterm Side Of The Garden Of Delight Was Facing Nod ,
The Persian Gulf Area From Which Nakhaas Entered . The Western Side Of The Garden Of Delight Was Pointing Towards The Nile . They Were Worried About The People At The Tigris And Euphrates , That's Where Adam And Eve Were Put Out . They Ended Up Migrating Towards Sawdeh - Aramic - , The Outer Field , Called Sudan , Nubia , The First Cuwsh - Aramic , Kish , Genesis 2 ; 13 , Where You See Ethiopia , In Hebrew You Find Kush , Long Before The Cush Of Genesis 10 ; 6 Was Born . Adam Wanted To Get To The Tree Of Khayyim - Aramic - Divine Life ' , People Have Ben Seeking That Tree , And They Call It The Fountain Of Youth , And Have Been Trying To Find Ways To Preserve Life . In Actuality It Is Symbolic Of Herbivorism .
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Dr. Malachi Z . York 33 / 720
DavyCrocket2003
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Now, how about if that story, which has been handed down to most of mankind as the authentic one, is but a corruption of an earlier, little known tale, one that, as I recall, came out of Persia? How about if, instead of the poor little snake being some evil and/or Satanic figure, was, instead, God himself, who transformed himself into the serpent? What, you say? Why, that is sheer nonsense, if not outright blasphemy! Everyone knows the snake is the devil! Well, let us have a closer look, shall we?
So here we have God telling his children that everything in the Garden is theirs, save for one thing: stay away from the Tree of the Forbidden Fruit! Then God 'goes away'. Uh huh. Sure. Now, you tell your children that they can have everything their little hearts desire in a room full of toys, but must stay away from that box over in the corner. "OK, children? Is that understood?" "Yes, daddy." Now daddy goes away. Where is the first place the children will go? Uh huh.
So what's going on here? What the orthodox story is leaving out (or rather, what the readers fail to intuitively understand), is that God, in laying down the Law, is winking at the same time. You see, God wants his children to eat of the 'Forbidden Fruit'! By creating a psychological device, a piece de resistance, he insures that they will. But why? Well, you see, God wants his children to share in his Joy absolutely, but they are human. Their minds think as humans do. In order for them to see on the same level as that of God's, their limited minds must first be raised and transformed. The so-called 'Forbidden Fruit' is a symbol for Higher Consciousness, or God Consciousness. This is the true, unconditional gift of the Divine Essence to man. There is no devil. The snake, as I mentioned, is God himself, transformed in order to insure that his children partake of the Fruit.
Now, remember what the serpent told Eve: that God did not want them to eat of the Fruit because they would then see as He sees. This is none other than God Consciousness. So now, not only is there a taboo in place, but a prize available to them if the taboo is broken.
Folks, Adam and Eve did'nt stand a snowflake's chance in Hell! God knew exactly what He was doing. If we follow the original story-line, it leads directly to Heaven. Union with the Divine Essence is completely achieved in the Here and Now. Story end. All's well that ends well.
There was no Original Sin.
There is no Devil.
But something went terribly wrong in the telling of this story. The unscrupulous priests got ahold of it, and used it to keep their congregations in fear as a means to extract monies from them. After all, Adam and Eve had broken God's Holy Commandment, did'nt they, and all their progeny were automatically in danger of eternal Hellfire. unless they repented and were saved...and threw a few coins at the priests who acted as spokesmen between man and God. Today, the airwaves are filled with every manner of charlatan, preaching repentance and salvation...while they retreat to their sunny Italian villas or dart around the globe in their Lear jets, like Benny Hinn does.
In the original story, we have union with the Divine Essence, which is the goal of all religious endeavor.
In the orthodox view, we have separation from God.
In the original story, we have Absolute Joy available to man right now.
"The Kingdom of God is [already] within you"
In the orthodox view, man must suffer and die before he can get to Heaven. Buddhists call this path "the long way home."
In the original story, it is all about union with the Divine Essence. This is the mystical experience. God is within.
In the orthodox view, it is about Obedience to God's Law. Man remains always subservient to God. God is external.
In the original story, there is no Devil.
In the orthodox view, a bloodthirsty fiend stalks mankind night and day for the express purpose of capturing and enslaving his soul.
The orthodox view involves Sin, Suffering, a divine sacrificial host in the form of Jesus, Crucifixion, Resurrection, etc. as payment for Sin, while, on the part of man, it involves Contrition and Repentance. The God Yaweh is angry and must be appeased, and the only pure host is his only son. This, however, is a human theme, not a divine one, contrary to what we have been indoctrinated with. Why? Simply because the Love of God is Unconditional. To demand payment via of bloody human sacrifice is Conditional. It is a Contract, a Covenant, and not Love at all. It is, in fact, a fear-driven tribal and superstitious belief, but with an elaborate ritualistic superstructure built on top of it to create an aura of mystery, holiness, and authority; it is, in fact, a cleverly concocted deception of the first magnitude. Holy Mumbo-Jumbo!
Obedience to God's Law is all about Morality and the eternal conflict between Good and Evil and being governed from the outside. You are nothing more than a created thing, totally at the mercy of your creator-God.
The mystical experience of divine union is about Virtue and being directed unerringly from within: Essence and Law are one and the same. The Divine Essence unfolds from within you. You are the living Godhead him/herself, in the flesh!
No, God never took his eye off the ball even for one nano-second. Man allowed his eye to become blinded by Desire and Fear.
And so, we must make efforts to learn how to see correctly once again.
No. Seeing is NOT believing. It is seeing Reality just as it is, instead of believing how one thinks it to be.
Forbidden Fruit, anyone?
Yum!
WOW! Where do you get your theology?!
While I do disagree with you on a number of points, you have the same general idea as me. If Adam and Eve had not partaken of the fruit, they would still be there, living like they were. The plan of God would be frustrated and there could be no progression for any of us. God said "in the day that thou partakest of the fruit, thou shalt surely die" (or something similar). He didn't say that he didn't want them to. He just told them what the consequences would be. They chose willingly.
godnotgod
Thou art That
In the context of the version I outlined, God telling them they would die was just more taboo added to his commandment which sets up even more of a piece de resistance. The more you tell someone NOT to do something, the more they have a tendency to investigate, to be curious.
In the context of the orthodox version, it turns out that they did NOT die, and so, here we have a major flaw in the orthodox story. Christians, in order to address this problem, like to tell the rest of us that God meant a spiritual death, and not a physical one, but that is not what the scripture says, and the Christian is guilty of embellishing the story line to force things to fit.
If you tell someone they will die, everyone understands this warning to imply a physical death. Beyond that, Adam and Eve would have had zero understanding of any kind of death, since they lived in Paradise, where nothing dies. God's warning would have seemed puzzling to them.
The important thing to always remember is that this story is an allegory, designed to illustrate some principle, in this case, spiritual union with the divine essence. To take it literally, along with a literal interpretation of God's "commandment" leads one far, far astray, and deep into the state of Identification. That is why Christianity is filled with so much drama and event. It is all about the experience of the self; its trials and tribulations; its sense of separation from God; its conflict within itself between Good and Evil, and the ultimate 'triumph' of the Mythic Hero; and ultimate salvation or dammnation. But the self is but an illusion. Man is asleep, dreaming it, firmly believing himself to be fully awake. When he truly awakens, the self vanishes, and Radiant Mind then manifests itself.
"From brilliancy I came;
To brilliancy I return.
What, then, is all of this?"
DavyCrocket2003
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Hmm. A lot to chew on. Certainly nice to hear a new view.
1) REGARDING THE PRINCIPLE OF GAINING KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND EVIL
I certainly agree with the principle that Adam’s having gained moral knowledge and understanding of “Good and Evil” was NOT itself evil nor was it a “fiasco”, but rather it was according to the original plan of God. Our Mortality and the atonement of Jesus does not seem to represent a “plan B” in early Adamic, Abrahamic and Enoich Christian histories but rather it was the original plan. Even “war in heaven” histories show that God was not simply “duped” by a clever Lucifer bent on revenge for Adam’s "role" in the war in heaven, but rather the acquisition of knowledge and understanding WAS a major reason for mortality.
The Apostolic Fathers such as Diogenes, Clement, and Hermas (et al) made clear, the essential importance of knowledge in the early Christian teachings :
2) IF EVE HAD NOT PARTAKEN OF THE FRUIT OF THE TREE OF KNOWLEDGE
I understand “alternate” and “what if” histories are interesting to speculate on. However, the early Christian doctrines that I’ve seen most often taught that sexuality came to Adam and Eve only AFTER they partook of the fruit.
For example : The Prophet Baruch taught regarding conception :
3) IGNORANCE AND SIN ARE BOTH LAMENTABLE, however, Enoch relates God’s explanation to him regarding the relative import of ignorance and knowledge and sin. It impacts the early Christian discussion as to WHY God engineered the Fall of Adam to Occur :
4) REGARDING LUCIFER’S ENMITY AGAINST ADAM
In one last observation regarding an “alternate history”, if Lucifer’s enmity towards Adam stemmed from Adam’s pre-mortal role in Lucifer’s expulsion from heaven as so many of the Ancient Judao-Christian early pre-creations histories relate (and the Quran also alludes to), the one might wonder how Lucifer would have tried to take his revenge on Adam.
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twsifubo
I certainly agree with the principle that Adam’s having gained moral knowledge and understanding of “Good and Evil” was NOT itself evil nor was it a “fiasco”, but rather it was according to the original plan of God. Our Mortality and the atonement of Jesus does not seem to represent a “plan B” in early Adamic, Abrahamic and Enoich Christian histories but rather it was the original plan. Even “war in heaven” histories show that God was not simply “duped” by a clever Lucifer bent on revenge for Adam’s "role" in the war in heaven, but rather the acquisition of knowledge and understanding WAS a major reason for mortality.
The Apostolic Fathers such as Diogenes, Clement, and Hermas (et al) made clear, the essential importance of knowledge in the early Christian teachings :
Moral knowledge is the very principle early Christians were taught to seek. This principle of ASKING God for revelations and knowledge is woven through much of the early Christian doctrines. For example, Ignatius and others, remind the Christians multiple times to seek knowledge and understanding :
Hermas and many others also make this ancient principle clear :
Even the reward which God gives the repentant, is knowledge: The angel of repentance, in speaking to Hermas says “ am in charge of repentance, and I give understanding to all who repent. Her 218:30:2;
2) IF EVE HAD NOT PARTAKEN OF THE FRUIT OF THE TREE OF KNOWLEDGE
I understand “alternate” and “what if” histories are interesting to speculate on. However, the early Christian doctrines that I’ve seen most often taught that sexuality came to Adam and Eve only AFTER they partook of the fruit.
For example : The Prophet Baruch taught regarding conception :
In one Adamic history, Adam describes some of the effects of the fall to his son Seth, including the onset of sexual desires :
If this early doctrine is correct regarding conception; and if Eve had NOT partaken of the fruit, presumably none of us would have been born (and that WOULD have frustrated God’s plan...). And, unless another mechanism intervened, things would be just as they were, with only Adam and Eve in Eden. And they would have remained in their ignorance, having little knowledge and understanding of Good and Evil principles.
3) IGNORANCE AND SIN ARE BOTH LAMENTABLE, however, Enoch relates God’s explanation to him regarding the relative import of ignorance and knowledge and sin. It impacts the early Christian discussion as to WHY God engineered the Fall of Adam to Occur :
It is in THIS ancient context that the prophet “Sedrach said to him” [God]. “It was by your will that Adam was deceived, my master”. In one Adamic history, Adam relates the coming of the Pre-Mortal Messiah to him “And behold, your word came to me and the Lord said to me, ‘Because your days are numbered, you have been made to cherish knowledge; ...” (Life of Adam and Eve (Vita) 27:2-3) (Note that “your word” is a euphamism for the pre-mortal messiah)
4) REGARDING LUCIFER’S ENMITY AGAINST ADAM
In one last observation regarding an “alternate history”, if Lucifer’s enmity towards Adam stemmed from Adam’s pre-mortal role in Lucifer’s expulsion from heaven as so many of the Ancient Judao-Christian early pre-creations histories relate (and the Quran also alludes to), the one might wonder how Lucifer would have tried to take his revenge on Adam.
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twsifubo
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godnotgod
Thou art That
Actually, it is older than the popular orthodox view. I believe it to be the original story, before it was corrupted. It just makes more sense, spiritually speaking.