Frank Goad
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What does science think will disprove God?And what do Christians think will prove God?Just curious.
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What does science think will disprove God?And what do Christians think will prove God?
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Altfish
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Science cannot say anything about the supernatural; it only observes the natural world.What does science think will disprove God?And what do Christians think will prove God?Just curious.
What does science think will disprove God?And what do Christians think will prove God?Just curious.
Science works with observable, measurable evidence it has no interest in disproving imaginary ideas.
Millions or billions of religious people have, for literally, 10.000 years been trying to prove their particular god and failing, I don't see anything new happening here.
What does science think will disprove God?And what do Christians think will prove God?Just curious.
Evidence of God's existence would have to be put forth first before we have to worry about science attempting to disprove the idea.
Audie
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exchemist
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Science is not remotely interested in this issue.What does science think will disprove God?And what do Christians think will prove God?Just curious.
Subduction Zone
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At the very most science can only disprove rather wrong versions of God. If your God demands a Flat Earth, he has been disproved. That does not refute a general concept of God or a Christian God a Muslim God etc..
Ella S.
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I don't think that's quite accurate.
"Methodological naturalism" doesn't mean that science can't one day prove the existence of ghosts, reincarnation, psychic powers, an afterlife, etc. It just means that it focuses on what is observable and measurable.
If God affects the natural world in any way, such as answering prayers or performing miracles, we can test that. And we have. And we have found that God doesn't answer prayers or perform miracles.
HonestJoe
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Yet again, science in an abstract concept so doesn't think anything. Science is a set of structured methods and principles which can be used to assess hypotheses.What does science think will disprove God?And what do Christians think will prove God?Just curious.
Science can't be used to assess the any proposed god or gods unless they're clearly and consistently defined as a formal hypothesis. I would argue that this has never been done for any proposed god.
Ella S.
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I think that Spontaneous Generation and Young-Earth Creationism could have given us some amount of evidence for a Creator God if they weren't disproven.
I do find it ironic that these "models" are the closest we've come to a testable definition of God and yet most theists want nothing to do with them. To me, it seems like they know that his existence would be quickly disproven as soon as he's falsifiable.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
I know, one can tell how little a creationist understands when they try to use the fact that spontaneous generation has been refuted as refuting abiogenesis. Spontaneous generation is a creationist concept. Just as a "change of kind" is.
Science has no interest at all in God, since science cannot observe God. If God makes Himself manifest in this world, science will instantly sit up and take a huge interest.What does science think will disprove God?And what do Christians think will prove God?Just curious.
And Christians (with the exception of a few) long ago gave up any attempt at "proving" God, declaring that belief (faith) was all that really mattered.
So religion and science will continue to march forward in their own lanes, without either ever really bothering with the other.
ppp
Well-Known Member
But how could science ever establish that God is the cause? If a guy could grow back people's amputated limbs every time he touched them and prayed to God, there would be no way to establish that God was the cause of the regeneration.
ppp
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Nope. The deficit is still on the people making a claim about the existence of God. The Christians, Muslims, Jews, etc.
Scientific investigation can express degrees of confidence about the existence of, and properties of, observed phenomena. If a proposed phenomena cannot be observed in some way while adhering to the principles and standards of scientific investigation, the scientific process will conclude that there is little or no confidence in the existence of the hypothetical or proposed phenomena. Science cannot prove that imagined things do not exist because the field of Science doesn't know what it doesn't know. It would be a logical fallacy, an argument from ignorance. Without evidence Science can at a minimum say that it is unknow, and depending on the properties ascribed to hypothetical or proposed phenomena, may conclude existence unlikely based on what is known. For example, a 300 lbs flying pig with 1 inch wings would be deemed unlikely based on what we know about the laws of physics.What does science think will disprove God?And what do Christians think will prove God?Just curious.
Nimos
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I honestly don't think science cares to much about God and far less interested in disproving him. But I think a lot of the issues between science and the idea of God, is because religions in many cases try to have a go at science whenever it announces something which doesn't seem to fit to well with what these religions say. A good example is evolution, it was never meant as an attack on religion, but obviously have turned into that for many people, because they simply can't accept it. But scientists and science will fight back, if "threaten".What does science think will disprove God?And what do Christians think will prove God?Just curious.
Ella S.
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In that specific instance, more research would have to be done before we could tie it to God. The same is true of praying and miracles. They would only be the start of testing the God hypothesis.
Studying "actual" miracles like those mentioned could allow us to develop tools to directly see and measure God's intervention, eventually finding a way to trace that intervention back to him. This could be done in a wide number of ways, depending on how he's intervening.
Most of the examples I can come up with sound like they come from an urban fantasy story like The Salvation War, but it's not inconceivable that we could discover God if we had a way of tracing his interventions.
Ella S.
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Right.
When we withhold judgment on a claim, we say that it's 50% likely and 50% unlikely. Technically, this still means that the claim is not likely to be true and is improbable. It's just not more unlikely than it is likely.
RestlessSoul
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That’s interesting, when did “we” find God does not answer prayers? Because millions of people around the world would assure you that He does and has.
For my own part, I changed from a hopeless drunk obsessed with alcohol, to a person who hardly ever thinks about a drink. I take no personal credit for this miraculous turnaround in my life; all the credit goes to a God of my understanding.