What does it mean "I never knew you"?

[Thief]

Then one can rest assured that having heeded 2Pet.1:10, "Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:"---there is nothing to fear for the future as one has remembered how GOD has lead in the past.

Fear of God is natural.
And His leadership of the past is cause to fear.

 

[sincerly]

Originally Posted by sincerly View Post
Then one can rest assured that having heeded 2Pet.1:10, "Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:"---there is nothing to fear for the future as one has remembered how GOD has lead in the past.

Fear of God is natural.
And His leadership of the past is cause to fear.

Thief, It was only after Adam and Eve had disobeyed that they feared--there was a consequence know for their disobedient actions.
With reconciliation/redemption, there is again a peaceful relationship.
God's past leadings has been for that Repenting and Reconciliation by mankind---in LOVE.

 

[kjw47]

You have yet to spot the difference in two levels of ignorance.

There is the ignorant, who have not heard.
There are those who chose to ignore.

The second level is profound.

And neither excuse will cut it with God.

 

[Thief]

Originally Posted by sincerly View Post
Then one can rest assured that having heeded 2Pet.1:10, "Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:"---there is nothing to fear for the future as one has remembered how GOD has lead in the past.



Thief, It was only after Adam and Eve had disobeyed that they feared--there was a consequence know for their disobedient actions.
With reconciliation/redemption, there is again a peaceful relationship.
God's past leadings has been for that Repenting and Reconciliation by mankind---in LOVE.

Nay.
Adam and Eve had no history of Man that we know of.
Their situation was to be a new start.

And the choice allowed was make certain they were indeed the creature intended by the manipulation performed.

And since then we ARE that creature....curious to knowledge even as death is pending.

They did not fail at the moment they did partake.
They simply realized....death IS pending and the next life is not guaranteed.

 

[sincerly]

Originally Posted by sincerly View Post
Originally Posted by sincerly View Post
Then one can rest assured that having heeded 2Pet.1:10, "Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:"---there is nothing to fear for the future as one has remembered how GOD has lead in the past.

Thief, It was only after Adam and Eve had disobeyed that they feared--there was a consequence know for their disobedient actions.
With reconciliation/redemption, there is again a peaceful relationship.
God's past leadings has been for that Repenting and Reconciliation by mankind---in LOVE.

Nay.
Adam and Eve had no history of Man that we know of.
Their situation was to be a new start.

Thief, each moment that pasted was history. Yes, the "history of mankind" started with those seven days of Creation. There was no reason "for fear" before the disobedience---because they had been made aware of the death penalty. I acknowledge that what "death entailed" had not been experienced or seen by them. (except as the plant life was eaten by them.)

And the choice allowed was make certain they were indeed the creature intended by the manipulation performed.

The making of woman didn't change GOD'S principle of male/female unions from that of the animals. It was for the reproducing of the "after their kind".

And since then we ARE that creature....curious to knowledge even as death is pending.

They did not fail at the moment they did partake.
They simply realized....death IS pending and the next life is not guaranteed.

Knowledge--the "thou shalt not" cannot be erased/made non-effect by curiosity or being "beguiled"---therefore the guilt penalty---death.
It is still valid---disobedience=death.

Therefore, Next-life is only guaranteed in obedience to the revealed Scriptural plan.

They did fail the moment they ate of the fruit, but the sentence--death--wasn't carried out immediately.

 

[Thief]

Originally Posted by sincerly View Post
Originally Posted by sincerly View Post
Then one can rest assured that having heeded 2Pet.1:10, "Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:"---there is nothing to fear for the future as one has remembered how GOD has lead in the past.

Thief, It was only after Adam and Eve had disobeyed that they feared--there was a consequence know for their disobedient actions.
With reconciliation/redemption, there is again a peaceful relationship.
God's past leadings has been for that Repenting and Reconciliation by mankind---in LOVE.



Thief, each moment that pasted was history. Yes, the "history of mankind" started with those seven days of Creation. There was no reason "for fear" before the disobedience---because they had been made aware of the death penalty. I acknowledge that what "death entailed" had not been experienced or seen by them. (except as the plant life was eaten by them.)



The making of woman didn't change GOD'S principle of male/female unions from that of the animals. It was for the reproducing of the "after their kind".




Knowledge--the "thou shalt not" cannot be erased/made non-effect by curiosity or being "beguiled"---therefore the guilt penalty---death.
It is still valid---disobedience=death.

Therefore, Next-life is only guaranteed in obedience to the revealed Scriptural plan.

They did fail the moment they ate of the fruit, but the sentence--death--wasn't carried out immediately.

You're still assuming too much.

Adam is a chosen son of God.
Did he know his mother?(who can say?)
Did he know the death of any fellow man?(who can say?)

What little he did know was influenced....he did walk with God.
(someone had to be first)

Eve may have known that men can die, herself included(who can say?)

In any case.....partaking of the fruit was a choice.

It was not a bad choice....we die no matter what.

The choice decided upon clearly indicated....they (and ourselves)....
We ARE that creature curious though death is pending.

We need that character to cross over.

If you are not curious about the next life.....you won't ask.
Neither will you prepare.....and then comes the actual fail.

 

[sincerly]

Originally Posted by sincerly View Post
Originally Posted by sincerly View Post
Originally Posted by sincerly View Post
Then one can rest assured that having heeded 2Pet.1:10, "Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:"---there is nothing to fear for the future as one has remembered how GOD has lead in the past.

Thief, It was only after Adam and Eve had disobeyed that they feared--there was a consequence know for their disobedient actions.
With reconciliation/redemption, there is again a peaceful relationship.
God's past leadings has been for that Repenting and Reconciliation by mankind---in LOVE.

Thief, each moment that passed was history. Yes, the "history of mankind" started with those seven days of Creation. There was no reason "for fear" before the disobedience---because they had been made aware of the death penalty. I acknowledge that what "death entailed" had not been experienced or seen by them. (except as the plant life was eaten by them.)

The making of woman didn't change GOD'S principle of male/female unions from that of the animals. It was for the reproducing of the "after their kind".

Knowledge--the "thou shalt not" cannot be erased/made non-effect by curiosity or being "beguiled"---therefore the guilt penalty---death.
It is still valid---disobedience=death.

Therefore, Next-life is only guaranteed in obedience to the revealed Scriptural plan.

They did fail the moment they ate of the fruit, but the sentence--death--wasn't carried out immediately.

You're still assuming too much.

Adam is a chosen son of God.
Did he know his mother?(who can say?)
Did he know the death of any fellow man?(who can say?)

What little he did know was influenced....he did walk with God.
(someone had to be first)

Eve may have known that men can die, herself included(who can say?)

In any case.....partaking of the fruit was a choice.

It was not a bad choice....we die no matter what.

The choice decided upon clearly indicated....they (and ourselves)....
We ARE that creature curious though death is pending.

We need that character to cross over.

If you are not curious about the next life.....you won't ask.
Neither will you prepare.....and then comes the actual fail.

Thief, Adam had not "mother" he was created/molded from the Dust of the earth. Since he was the first human to be created, no one was alive ,but him and then Eve from him. No death had or could have occurred.

A computer is useless until information is placed within it. When GOD gave the instructions to populate the earth; have dominion over the creation; be acquainted with the various animals; understand the marriage association, and the weekly convocation; dress the Garden, GOD gave the knowledge of the how and whys as well. Those "walks" were not without communication/empty.
Both Adam and Eve knew that death was the penalty for disobedience--It was stated when GOD instructed them concerning the two trees.

The partaking of the fruit(a prohibition) was a bad choice--between obeying or disobeying; And NO! They would not have died anyway---the tree of life was for a continual life.
It was that creature who had lived ?????1000s of years who touted doubt/curiosity as a normal trait to Eve. (and you are espousing the same).

One doesn't need to know evil to know GOOD. BY knowing GOOD one can see the counterfeit.
The Scriptures are examples of the good and the Bad functions which have been blessings and cursing's to mankind. One doesn't need the firsthand experience.
Therefore, prepare by abiding in the "thus saith the Lord God."

 

[Thief]

That Man is made of dust is common to all that breathe.

Adam is unique only that he was the first to walk with God.

 

[Thief]

If someone else obeyed every word you spoke....
would their will be free of yours?

The choice was offered to see if freewill had taken hold.

It did.

 

[sincerly]

If someone else obeyed every word you spoke....
would their will be free of yours?

The choice was offered to see if freewill had taken hold.

It did.

Thief, "free-will" could have been seen as "taken hold" by Obedience rather than disobedience.

 

[Thief]

Thief, "free-will" could have been seen as "taken hold" by Obedience rather than disobedience.

Nay.
If the other person ALWAYS does exactly what he is told.....
you can't be sure his freewill.

 

[sincerly]

Nay.
If the other person ALWAYS does exactly what he is told.....
you can't be sure his freewill.

AHH! But a person is fickle who has not committed himself to the right principles. So, when the "other person" is committed(always does), he has chosen(by his freewill) to be obedient. OR One can be just as adamantly defiant and do as told the wrong thing.

 

[Thief]

AHH! But a person is fickle who has not committed himself to the right principles. So, when the "other person" is committed(always does), he has chosen(by his freewill) to be obedient. OR One can be just as adamantly defiant and do as told the wrong thing.

So we are born with freewill and die without?

 

[sincerly]

Originally Posted by sincerly View Post
AHH! But a person is fickle who has not committed himself to the right principles. So, when the "other person" is committed(always does), he has chosen(by his freewill) to be obedient. OR One can be just as adamantly defiant and do as told the wrong thing.

So we are born with freewill and die without?

NO! All are born with a free will, but those who die have chosen to use it in defiant rebellion. The "Consequences" were included in the "free-will/Choosing" accounting process.

 

[Thief]

I say, freewill is essential to life and living.

In the next life the lesser portions in the souls of Man need be controlled.
You can't let your 'feelings' lead the way.

There is a difference that you are free to do as you please....because you can.
As compared to freewill because you should.

You seem to lean to freewill that is allowed.
That is not freewill.
That relationship is what you do unto dogs.

 

[sincerly]

I say, freewill is essential to life and living.

In the next life the lesser portions in the souls of Man need be controlled.
You can't let your 'feelings' lead the way.

There is a difference that you are free to do as you please....because you can.
As compared to freewill because you should.

You seem to lean to freewill that is allowed.
That is not freewill.
That relationship is what you do unto dogs.

Thief, Mankind was not created as a robot. As long as there is no inhibiting factors , one is free to do whatever is in that realm of freedom. In the next life, sin will not arise because all that reside there will be inwardly guided by the overwhelming LOVE for the Creator GOD who created that new earth(next life).

A freedom to be in conflict with the laws of GOD will not be allowed.
That type of attitude/desire/lust was what caused all the pain/grief/suffering/death /etc. that one sees in the world today.

Therefore, I'll gladly be the dog in heaven/new earth than return to the dust which is under the dogs feet.

 

[Thief]

Thief, Mankind was not created as a robot. As long as there is no inhibiting factors , one is free to do whatever is in that realm of freedom. In the next life, sin will not arise because all that reside there will be inwardly guided by the overwhelming LOVE for the Creator GOD who created that new earth(next life).

A freedom to be in conflict with the laws of GOD will not be allowed.
That type of attitude/desire/lust was what caused all the pain/grief/suffering/death /etc. that one sees in the world today.

Therefore, I'll gladly be the dog in heaven/new earth than return to the dust which is under the dogs feet.

Maybe you noticed the difference of Man in Chapter One .....
compared to the chosen son of God in Chapter Two?

 

[sincerly]

Originally Posted by sincerly View Post
Thief, Mankind was not created as a robot. As long as there is no inhibiting factors , one is free to do whatever is in that realm of freedom. In the next life, sin will not arise because all that reside there will be inwardly guided by the overwhelming LOVE for the Creator GOD who created that new earth(next life).

A freedom to be in conflict with the laws of GOD will not be allowed.
That type of attitude/desire/lust was what caused all the pain/grief/suffering/death /etc. that one sees in the world today.

Therefore, I'll gladly be the dog in heaven/new earth than return to the dust which is under the dogs feet.

Maybe you noticed the difference of Man in Chapter One .....
compared to the chosen son of God in Chapter Two?

Verses, please?

 

[Thief]

Verses, please?

Really?

 

[savagewind]

Really?

Go to work for goodness sakes and stop stealing thief.