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What do you think of Jeremiah 29:8-9?
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sooda
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Nope.. Not every OT verse you cherry pick is referring to Jesus. That's an error that lots of fundamentalists make, but its lazy.
syo
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The Orthodox Christians believe that all the prophets in the Old Testament had the task to reveal the coming of Jesus on earth. And in the new testament, Jesus came and when He left he sent the Holy Spirit to his pupils and gave them the gift of prophesy. Now the Christian Orthodox believe the Fathers of the Church of Christ alone have the gift of prophesy.
syo
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Christ sent to his pupils the Holy Spirit that gave them the gift of prophesy. Now members of the church of Christ alone can become prophets.
sooda
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In 167 B.C. a Greek ruler called Antiochus Epiphanies set up an altar to Zeus over the altar of burnt offerings in the Jewish temple in Jerusalem.
He also sacrificed a pig on the altar in the Temple in Jerusalem. This event is known as the abomination of desolation.
The Maccabees retook the Temple and rededicated it.... purified it.
He also sacrificed a pig on the altar in the Temple in Jerusalem. This event is known as the abomination of desolation.
The Maccabees retook the Temple and rededicated it.... purified it.
syo
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In the day of the pentecost.
sooda
Veteran Member
Are you saying there are no OT prophets or you don't recognize them?
This isn't prophecy..
2 MACCABEES CHAPTER 10 KJV - King James Version
https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/2-Maccabees-Chapter-10
2 Maccabees chapter 10 KJV (King James Version) 1 Now Maccabeus and his company, the Lord guiding them, recovered the temple and the city:. 2 But the altars which the heathen had built in the open street, and also the chapels, they pulled down.. 3 And having cleansed the temple they made another altar, and striking stones they took fire out of them, and offered a sacrifice after two years, and ...
syo
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All the OT prophets had the task to reveal the coming of Jesus. At least according to Orthodox christians.
PruePhillip
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I think he means the Christology of the prophets. Not sure if there
was a prophet who didn't in some way speak or live out the life of
the Messiah.
PruePhillip
Well-Known Member
Maybe the Christians wrote the Old Testament?
Sounds a bit like those moon landing conspiracies.
PruePhillip
Well-Known Member
You need to be a tad specific. Broad generalizations are hard to chase down
and address in some depth.
sooda
Veteran Member
Zechariah became the 14th King of Israel.
Zechariah 9:9
“Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, thy King cometh unto thee: he is just, and having salvation; lowly, and riding upon an ***, and upon a colt the foal of an ***.”
King James Version (KJV)
ZECHARIAH 9:9 KJV "Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, thy King cometh unto thee:..."
PruePhillip
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Oh, okay, King Zechariah. But wasn't the scripture written during Greek times?
the mythical King Zechariah was, like, three hundred years in the past and there
were no prior documents for the bible guys to go on.
sooda
Veteran Member
Why do you think Zechariah was mythical?
PruePhillip
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The bible is as mythical as the moon landings.
I rather like it. You?
PruePhillip
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Jacob in Egypt spoke of a future monarchy under Judah.
This would last (including I suppose the nation of Israel) until the Messiah comes.
And the nations would accept the Messiah. The clear impression is that Israel
does not accept the Messiah, as many prophets later stated - but the Gentiles
would believe.
But not forever. In the latter days the Jews would come out of all the nations for
a second time (first being Babylon) when the Gentiles time is fulfilled. Jesus
spoke about this - the impression I get is that He meant the Gentiles would one
day reject the Messiah they once believed in. Jesus spoke of the fall of the churches
"no more the voice of the bride and bridegroom... no more the lighted candle... a
cage of every hateful and unclean bird." That's what's happening to our secularized
and politicized churches today.
sooda
Veteran Member
The time the Gentiles trod on Jerusalem is about the 42 months the Roman army and the Syrians, Arabs and Egyptians were in control. It ended during the grape harvest with the destruction of the Temple.
Israel was in the north.. and Judah constantly bad-mouths them.