MonkeyFire
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Dis-belief is nihilistic, has no point, and both are all together wrong, or nothing.
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If that was true you could support your Jesus beliefs with more than just faith.Dis-belief is nihilistic, has no point, and both are all together wrong, or nothing.
isn't atheism skepticism without superstition?
Addendum:
Prop 1, if true, offers oblivion or hope, your choice
Prop 2 offers only oblivion.
A rational thinker cannot decide what to believe. It appears that you are advocating irrational thought.
Theism as distinguished from deism and atheism:
the belief in one God as the creator and ruler of the universe, without rejection of revelation (distinguished from deism ). 2. belief in the existence of a god or gods (opposed to atheism ). Origin of theism.
Theist | Define Theist at Dictionary.com
The legal definition does not apply to God because God is not a man who goes to court. Moreover, God is not accountable to anyone but God.
No, strictly 100% hope, that which is not offered by Prop 2. It isn't irrational to hope in the absence of any evidence.
The fact that there are many religions to pick from does not mean that you cannot find one that is right for you. That would be like saying that because there are many different makes and models of cars you cannot find one that is right for you. Having many to choose from makes it more difficult to find the right one, but it is not impossible.
Everyone has an equal shot of finding the religion that reveals God's will for this age, since this is the information age.
You argument from sarcasm is refuted by about a half-dozen logical fallacies. So, what do we have:
Exhibit A: The Universe.
Question: How did the universe come to be?
Proposition 1: It was designed and initiated by a super-sentient intelligence.
Proposition 2: It wasn't designed, just came to be spontaneously.
Facts, evidence or reasoned theories supporting either proposition: None.
Distractions: Massive quantities of unsubstantiated religious and nihilistic hearsay and feelings.
Conclusion: Agnostic doubt is the only rational position
Conclusion: Agnostic doubt is the only rational position
i disagree. False hopes often cause wasted effort. I can dream that I will win the powerball, and the cost of one ticket is negligible. But if I buy a ticket and waste the day mooning over what I will do with the money that I will win I might could easily lose time that could have been put to a useful purpose.
Point 1: you listed only two possible outcomes. You absolutely failed to show that only those two comprise all possible outcomes.
For example, the Universe (or greater universes) Always Was. That neatly destroys your "argument" in one go.
Ooops! That does not describe YOU*
I believe your problem is your understanding of what an outcome is and how to differentiate it from a cause. And even though I'm sure you'll never admit it, sometime down the road you may well do so. I speak from personal experience.*Notebook: I am only going by the sum of your posts on this thread alone.....
You are inconsistent.
Horrible analogy. Two possibilities both lacking evidence vs. two possibilities, one with 1/1,000,000,000 odds against it, and the other with 0/0 odds.
Absolutely not. The difference is the two propositions (two different causes), with an identical outcome, the natural rational universe which we all know and love.
There's only one Big Bang, ....
... the only one with a red face is you looking in he mirror.
... from a cause.
I just grabbed a definition off the web. I guess you can just as easily divide people up into two categories, theists and atheists, for purposes of simplification.LOL! Dude! A dictionary isn't an authority on what must be done. It's just a collection of common usage.
And you are in the minority. Theism, colloquially, means "god-ism".
Deists come under the umbrella of "Theism", therefore.
Atheism means "without god", and does not include "deism", therefore.
You can whine and protest all you like, but you are a theist.
To continue to claim otherwise, while being a deist? Only has the effect of destroying your credibility.
Unfortunately, now that you have lied in an obvious way, I can no longer trust anything you have to say.
God is not subject to morality.Absolutely and without conditions: WRONG.
A god MUST be AT LEAST as moral as mere mortals!
To be OTHERWISE? Is to be EVIL-- and since gods are OmniMax? THEY WOULD BE INFINITELY EVIL.
That does describe pretty much 99.999999% of all book-gods, everywhere.