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Featured What about not getting along with other people in heaven?

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by ideogenous_mover, Jun 17, 2019.

  1. ideogenous_mover

    ideogenous_mover Well-Known Member

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    Presumably you are to spend an eternity with your neighbors in heaven that are also risen, (aside from possibly non-human angel beings or creatures God made with consciousness) and as we know from our experience here, humans seem to display various degrees of interpersonal conflict. At best they are minor; perhaps you would like your neighbor to cut his grass slightly shorter for example. However, if stretched across eternity, do not the minor quibbles become serious? Wouldn't the differences between you and another human individual eventually come under a magnifying glass, creating anxiety of some kind. Furthermore, and on a related tangent, is this line of thinking related to the story of satan rebelling against god? Indicating perhaps that just because you are in heaven, it doesn't mean that differences in morality and opinion can't exist, even to the point of trying to create a completely separate domain
     
  2. InChrist

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    Everyone in heaven will be changed, transformed, and in the glorified state as Jesus Christ is. Those in heaven will be free of the flesh and the various attitudes and selfish behaviors that exist in this present world, instead living in God's perfect love one with another.


    Behold what manner of love the Father has bestowed on us, that we should be called children of God! Therefore the world does not know us, because it did not know Him. 2 Beloved, now we are children of God; and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be, but we know that when He is revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is. 3 And everyone who has this hope in Him purifies himself, just as He is pure. 1 John 3:1-3
     
  3. ideogenous_mover

    ideogenous_mover Well-Known Member

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    A saved person can't possibly be converted from an individual into a mere automation can they? Because you realize you're describing a perfect regression to the kind of being who hadn't eaten of the tree of knowledge. Furthermore, satan was 'among the sons of god,' indicating that your morality is continually tested.
     
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  4. George-ananda

    George-ananda Advaita Vedanta and Spiritualist and Pantheist
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    From my beliefs as a non-dualist (God and creation are not-two), I believe in things akin to heaven but not as a static-state forever situation which if analyzed long enough becomes an undesirable thing for reasons like you mention.

    I think change and growth are continuous until we realize it is all One Consciousness/God/Brahman.
     
  5. ideogenous_mover

    ideogenous_mover Well-Known Member

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    Well, not even the bible argues for a static state when you think about it. The apple expanded thought, it does not reduce it. God himself displays emotional states in the bible, emotions are not static things either.
     
  6. Eddi

    Eddi Mark 5:9

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    I'm sure that if there is a heaven it would be set up so that interpersonal conflict does not happen and that this would never be an issue and that it would be easy to ignore certain people and just do your own thing.

    And I'm sure there would be plenty of activities available, and lots of interesting people to hang out with

    If there was conflict there then I don't think it would be much of a heaven!

    So no, I don't think not getting on with people up there would be much of an issue
     
  7. danieldemol

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    I think this question relates more to certain Christian sects than it does to my belief, for example disembodied spirits won’t have lawns to mow etc
     
  8. TagliatelliMonster

    TagliatelliMonster Well-Known Member

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    So what will people do there all day, every day, for eternity?

    Seems like a really long time - especially if you can no longer enjoy "things of the flesh".
     
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    But the very ability of having emotions implies that suffering is a possibility.
    Because what is love unless you can contrast it with hate?
    What is hapiness unless you can contrast it with sadness?
    What is being at peace unless you can contrast it with anger?

    Seems to me that you can't have one without the other.

    So if there are emotions in heaven, it seems to me that you'ld necessarily have suffering as well.
     
  10. dybmh

    dybmh Terminal Optimist
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    Following the presumption in the OP...

    The end of our mortal lives is also the end of our limitations. Our material bodies and our spiritual borders will be left behind. The borders are what creates conflict. The borders are what creates anxiety. The borders are what defines a domain. No limitations, No borders means no conflict, no anxiety, no separate domains.

    However, without borders I think it will feel crowded. Hopefully cozy.
     
  11. ideogenous_mover

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    Yes, it seems like there would be suffering in heaven if God himself seems to suffer in heaven. Drowning one's creations on earth and then deciding you won't do it again seems to be an event that implies emotional anguish, as does putting angry or sad words into the mouths of prophets throughout other parts of the bible. There is a moody being who storms around up there.
     
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    Eddi the very mind of God is itself in conflict up there in heaven, a mind that had contemplated the drowning out of the whole world, that had often spoken words of harsh anguish regarding the human process. By eating the apple, your mind is no less than that mind. All the emotions you feel, the morality you debate in your mind, the frustration or the joys is said to be indiscriminate from the divine experience of God. You and the others can't simply brush this fact off with a few short statements evoking simple grandeur. The journey the apple put you on is not one that you get to step off of.
     
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    ah but the bible says, 'to each seed it's own body.' I refer you also to my above post.
     
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    Perhaps if you enjoy the uniformity of a mowed lawn, you can have a whole world of grass to mow. But what if you don't like how someone else keeps a neighboring world in close orbit to yours
     
  15. dybmh

    dybmh Terminal Optimist
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    Oh. Apologies. I didn't know that you were looking for something congruent with The Bible.

    I'm sorry... :oops:
     
  16. ideogenous_mover

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    I think Christians typically envision something similar to what you described anyway, a static state where there seems to be no possibility emotion or growth.
     
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    I believe you have Heaven and The Kingdom of God confused. However the answer is that there is no conflict because only good is present.
     
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    I believe God is able to suppress the memory and knowledge of evil.
     
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    I believe then that you don't believe in Heaven. Heaven is permanent. The only change is if people come or go.
     
  20. ideogenous_mover

    ideogenous_mover Well-Known Member

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    How might they leave?
     
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