Was Revelation Written About The Distant Future?

[JJ50]

Why is that?

Because I don't believe in prophets or prophecy. The Latin master at my secondary school (11-18) believed he was the ghost of a prophet, the stupid man!

 

[PruePhillip]

Daniel was written by a bunch of Jews during the Maccabean Revolt and the Abomination of desolation.. 165 BC.

That's how some try to explain it away.
Read the alternative perspective.
After the captivity books the Jews admitted no other books into their
"bible" as it was a Cannon then, just like the NT is a Cannon to us.
Thus Maccabees wasn't considered part of the Jewish "bible." Had
Daniel been a Maccabees book it wouldn't be a part of our OT bible
(though some admit it as such, ie RCC)

If Daniel was magically transported to Maccabee times it would
still be wondrous what he wrote about the Romans and the
Messiah.

 

[PruePhillip]

Because I don't believe in prophets or prophecy. The Latin master at my secondary school (11-18) believed he was the ghost of a prophet, the stupid man!

Those prophets said the Jews would lose their nation, suffer under the Gentiles
and return to take back their land with the sword. You are living through this
prophecy.

 

[sooda]

That's how some try to explain it away.
Read the alternative perspective.
After the captivity books the Jews admitted no other books into their
"bible" as it was a Cannon then, just like the NT is a Cannon to us.
Thus Maccabees wasn't considered part of the Jewish "bible." Had
Daniel been a Maccabees book it wouldn't be a part of our OT bible
(though some admit it as such, ie RCC)

If Daniel was magically transported to Maccabee times it would
still be wondrous what he wrote about the Romans and the
Messiah.

There was no Daniel.. He's a popular character borrowed from the north coast Canaanites. Over 600 years the Jews wrote a bad history of Babylon and completed the writing during the period of Antiochus IV Epiphanes using 'Daniel' as the protagonist.

 

[JJ50]

Those prophets said the Jews would lose their nation, suffer under the Gentiles
and return to take back their land with the sword. You are living through this
prophecy.

Yeh right!

 

[sooda]

Because I don't believe in prophets or prophecy. The Latin master at my secondary school (11-18) believed he was the ghost of a prophet, the stupid man!

well, there were schools for prophets... and it helps to know they weren't future tellers. In fact, most prophesy was written after the fact.

 

[JJ50]

well, there were schools for prophets... and it helps to know they weren't future tellers. In fact, most prophesy was written after the fact.

In which case it wasn't prophecy.

 

[sooda]

In which case it wasn't prophecy.

Right.. Daniel is NOT considered a prophet in Judaism.. Much of what he wrote is just false history about Nebuchadnezzar. He was NEVER in Babylon.

Revelation is letter that was written for the purpose of giving courage and hope to the people of the first century and to explain the revenge taken on the Roman occupiers and the Apostate Jews who supported them.

 

[JJ50]

Right.. Daniel is NOT considered a prophet in Judaism.. Much of what he wrote is just false history about Nebuchadnezzar. He was NEVER in Babylon.

Revelation is letter that was written for the purpose of giving courage and hope to the people of the first century and to explain the revenge taken on the Roman occupiers and the Apostate Jews who supported them.

The crazy book nearly didn't get included in the Bible when the documents were put together, it doesn't do the book any favours, as I have said before.

 

[PruePhillip]

well, there were schools for prophets... and it helps to know they weren't future tellers. In fact, most prophesy was written after the fact.

Yes, I think the Bible's account of the rise and fall and rise again of the Jewish
nation was probably written after the Six Day War in 1967.
The collapse of the Christian churches in Rev and the Gospels was certainly
written in the 1900's.
Daniel was written after the fall of the Roman Empire.
Genesis (and Jacob's account of Israel & Messiah) was written after 2nd Century AD.

How blind we have been!!!!

 

[PruePhillip]

The crazy book nearly didn't get included in the Bible when the documents were put together, it doesn't do the book any favours, as I have said before.

If God is real, then the books in the bible are the books God wanted there.
And nations, cultures and religions have certainly sought to remove books.

 

[JJ50]

If God is real, then the books in the bible are the books God wanted there.
And nations, cultures and religions have certainly sought to remove books.

If god is real humanity should destroy it.

 

[sooda]

Yes, I think the Bible's account of the rise and fall and rise again of the Jewish
nation was probably written after the Six Day War in 1967.
The collapse of the Christian churches in Rev and the Gospels was certainly
written in the 1900's.
Daniel was written after the fall of the Roman Empire.
Genesis (and Jacob's account of Israel & Messiah) was written after 2nd Century AD.

How blind we have been!!!!

Cute but not a substitute for serious study.

 

[PruePhillip]

If god is real humanity should destroy it.

I think humanity is doing is doing a good job of destroying God.
In the trenches of WWI, the holocaust, the Gulags and the
incessant desire of new generations to pull down everything
which even reminds us of our past - every aspect of that past.