Views on Pornography

[PureX]

You have a point if you are referring strictly to "street walkers" working for a pimp. However, I've read the accounts of several self-employed "call girls" and they often disagree with such a statement. One I read even stated she felt more empowered by her experiences, and found it easier to say no and stand firmly behind it.

An active drug addiction can teach us a few lessons, too. But that doesn't make drug addiction in any way acceptable, no matter how loudly the drug addict claims it's "OK" for him or her.

There is no way that allowing oneself to be f****d for money becomes "empowerment".

 

[Shadow Wolf]

An active drug addiction can teach us a few lessons, too. But that doesn't make drug addiction in any way acceptable, no matter how loudly the drug addict claims it's "OK" for him or her.

There is no way that allowing oneself to be f****d for money becomes "empowerment".

Why not? If it's really what you want, and you are consenting, why not embrace the victimless crime of a social taboo?
Why should it not bother us anymore than any other reason people have for having consensual sex. And who are you to say what may or may not be empowering? And why even bother as if it were legal and regulated then it could bother you no more than any other person getting their sexual thrills behind closed doors. It wouldn't even make "sweeps weeks" during the news to be reminded that it exists.
And you give a false equivalency as prostitution is not anything like an addict. You may as well say that porn destroys people's lives (though through attached stigmas it potentially can). But it harms ye none.

 

[PureX]

Why not? If it's really what you want, and you are consenting, why not embrace the victimless crime of a social taboo?

It's not a "victimless crime". It's a crime that makes victims of everyone involved in it. And if you don't think so, find the wife that admires her husband for having sex with prostitutes. Or find the man that wants his wife to sell herself to other men for money. Find the mother or father that wants their daughter to be grow up to be a whore, for the "career empowerment" and the high wages.

You won't find them in any healthy society, anywhere in the world. Because all human beings know that selling their bodies to be used for the sexual gratification of others is humiliating, and degrading. And they don't want anyone they care about involved in it.

 

[suncowiam]

I view pornography every now and then, yes.

 

[suncowiam]

I am a 14 Year old Hindu and I live in overseas. Unfortunately, I started watching pornography. It started by watching Google Images of erotic images, then I started trying to find Female celebrities nude. After that, I've heard about pornography and started looking up for it in the internet and ever since I started watching it, I could not stop watching it. I am a firm believer in God so I tried many times to stop so that I would not damage my relationship with him but I end up going back there. Any wise person here, please advise me if there is anything wrong in watching pornography(hardcore/soft core) and if it is common in my age and please tell me if it is attached with bad Karma. Thank you in advance.

If you believe God, then you should be talking to your cleric.

Being an atheist, I would say you're too young to be watching porn. Don't objectify the people. Understand that this is a fantasy and that is not how love making is for regular people. You still have parents that should be educating you on this stuff. Sex, like everything else, requires responsibility and knowledge.

 

[Skwim]

I heard a talk, I think it may have been a TED Talk, by a prostitute that advocated for deregulation and not legalization. The fact that prostitution is illegal creates the need for pimps for many prostitutes. She was obviously against criminalization of prostitution. But she was not for legalization either. She was for deregulation.

Hah! Found the video:

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Best presentation on prostitution ever.

Thank you

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[Saint Frankenstein]

It's not a "victimless crime". It's a crime that makes victims of everyone involved in it. And if you don't think so, find the wife that admires her husband for having sex with prostitutes. Or find the man that wants his wife to sell herself to other men for money. Find the mother or father that wants their daughter to be grow up to be a whore, for the "career empowerment" and the high wages.

You won't find them in any healthy society, anywhere in the world. Because all human beings know that selling their bodies to be used for the sexual gratification of others is humiliating, and degrading. And they don't want anyone they care about involved in it.

You know there's male hookers, too. Not all of them are the ones being penetrated and not only men are the customers. I find your take on it rather sexist. Personally, I think being a sex worker would be great. I'd love to be a rent boy or a kept boy. I wouldn't have a pimp or madam and would choose all the customers myself. I love sex and to make that my job would be awesome. The Internet has opened up all sorts of opportunities with that and you don't need a pimp or madam.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

It's not a "victimless crime". It's a crime that makes victims of everyone involved in it. And if you don't think so, find the wife that admires her husband for having sex with prostitutes. Or find the man that wants his wife to sell herself to other men for money. Find the mother or father that wants their daughter to be grow up to be a whore, for the "career empowerment" and the high wages.

You won't find them in any healthy society, anywhere in the world. Because all human beings know that selling their bodies to be used for the sexual gratification of others is humiliating, and degrading. And they don't want anyone they care about involved in it.

The only difference between what you mostly described (the wife who's husband...) and those who do it without paying for it is one has money involved and the other doesn't. And what if someone gets off on watching their partner have sex with someone else? I forget what it's called, but it is a kink, and no more harmful than swingers or dom/sub, furies or orgies.
And there are indeed many male prostitutes. Some men, even, will have sex with men as a prostitute but outside of work they only have sex with women. Sometimes women are the clients. Your idea of what prostitution is a very limited scope, and it's more akin to Conservative boogeyman stories of "x is bad for reasons y," and if their examples of y actually exists, they focus solely on the few examples of the worst they can find and make it seem like that is what you always get.
Plus, when you remove the criminal element, you remove the criminal from the picture. Reasons of pure morality are not reason enough to create wealthy and powerful criminals that harm people in ways that they otherwise would not have been able to. Substance prohibitions create powerful and deadly organizations, and bans against prostitution are no different. We have to ask is it really worth the damage it's doing to police people's "morality, that is, their consensual and inherently victimless behaviors behind closed doors? I've not seen one good reason to justify saying yes.

 

[PureX]

You know there's male hookers, too. Not all of them are the ones being penetrated and not only men are the customers. I find your take on it rather sexist. Personally, I think being a sex worker would be great. I'd love to be a rent boy or a kept boy. I wouldn't have a pimp or madam and would choose all the customers myself. I love sex and to make that my job would be awesome. The Internet has opened up all sorts of opportunities with that and you don't need a pimp or madam.

You talk like a big fat man who imagines how fun it would be being a skinny one. The fantasy and the realty being very different, of course.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

You talk like a big fat man who imagines how fun it would be being a skinny one. The fantasy and the realty being very different, of course.

You have a very skewed idea of what the reality is in the first place. It's not all negative.

 

[Electra]

I would pay caution to 'free' sights, as many of them are 'pushing' an 'agenda', you will see a lot of incest and degrading clips.

A good step is to find where you can pay a star directly for the videos. These videos have such better energy and then there is a better chance they are getting good money for it.

 

[osgart]

actually real love is the worth of sex. pornography is awful. it turns my stomach. it's empty, and meaningless.

big waste of time.

 

[NewGuyOnTheBlock]

I am a 14 Year old Hindu and I live in overseas. Unfortunately, I started watching pornography. It started by watching Google Images of erotic images, then I started trying to find Female celebrities nude. After that, I've heard about pornography and started looking up for it in the internet and ever since I started watching it, I could not stop watching it. I am a firm believer in God so I tried many times to stop so that I would not damage my relationship with him but I end up going back there. Any wise person here, please advise me if there is anything wrong in watching pornography(hardcore/soft core) and if it is common in my age and please tell me if it is attached with bad Karma. Thank you in advance.

I did not read any of the replies before I entered mine; I just wanted to give you my take.

I can not answer any question you may have regarding "sin" or "god", etc as I am atheist and do not believe in such concepts.

So let me start here: You are drawn to pornography because:

1. You are human.
2. You are male.
3. You are 14 years old with so many hormones in your system, its difficult to control.
4. You are normal.

Let's talk about something called "obsessive/compulsive behavior" or "addictive behavior". This comes into pay when one's compulsions interrupt or complicate their daily lives. If you are choosing pornography over other healthy aspects of your life; or find yourself unable to control your compulsions, then this is a significant (maybe even serious) mental health issue for me. This comes into play when we certain people, for example, place themselves at great risk to satisfy their urges (whatever they may be); or acting on their urges is destructive to their well-being (but they do it anyway) ... such as a married person engaging in porn even though he knows it can cost him to lose his wife, career, etc; or a compulsive individual who can't resist the urge to go masturbate at inappropriate times and places (such as the bathrooms at school or while driving his vehicle). This, in my opinion, is more a question of mental health than it is morality. If you are experiencing these kinds of behaviors, then not all hope is lost; I don't know where you are from, but most cultures have someone you can talk to and help you; and even if you are, I am not sure where the line between "problem" and "normal teenager behavior"; as I have little to no experience with young people. But if you are concerned that your porn viewing may be obsessive/compulsive or addictive, then find someone who knows about such matters whom you trust to talk to. My bet is that you are just a normal guy doing things that are normal for young human males to do.

Now let's talk about legality. If the images you are viewing are unlawful where you come from, then you are placing yourself, and possibly those with whom you share these internet devices, at risk of negative consequences. Depending on wher you are from, this can be very serious stuff.

As far as pornography in and of itself, from an objective and non-religious point of view, the morality of it is not so cut and dry. But I refrain from pornography on ethical grounds: It is difficult, if not impossible, for me to be certain that the participants in what I watch have truly given informed consent to what's going on or that their participation is truly willful. As a result, I am not certain whether or not I am watching a rape and victimization of a human being happening right in front of me.

So to recap: IF
(1) You are able to say "no" or choose when and how much to engage in porn viewing;
(2) Your porn viewing is legal where you live; and
(3) You are reasonably sure that the participants are of legal age and are consentual to what's unfolding in front of you;

THEN, in spite of my own personal choice to avoid pornography, I don't see a problem.

The sexual nature of human beings is a powerful drive and one which all humans have to contend with throughout our lives. Welcome to adulthood.

 

[Luciferi Baphomet]

There is nothing wrong with watching porn. Just be careful with the computer viruses those sites have.

 

[AHindu]

Hello all! It's me again! Firstly, I want to thank all those who took their time replying to this thread and most importantly educating me.

I read the replies from this thread and the one I posted in Hinduism thread. After reading all the replies, I realised that it is really up to you how you view pornography.

To further elaborate on my point, pornography is very easily accessible thanks to the interent and anyone who is someone will be lying if they say they don't know what pornography is. So, everyone will view pornography at least once in their life, intentionally or unintentionlly.

Some will feel disgusted and will decide not to watch it. However, some will start to feel pleasure by watching it and will continue to watch it until they become addicted to it. And it is not something to be ashamed of. But if you feel guilty, do yourself a favour and ask yourself if watching pornography is against your morals. By asking yourself this question, you will know more about yourself.

If you feel it is not, and feel it is a completely normal thing, go ahead and watch it. But if you have second thoughts on it, I suggest that you stop it. Stop watching pornography. You are just hating yourself for watching pornography and with no love towards yourself, you will never move ahead in life.

I decided to stop watching it. I understood that it is common for teenagers to bend to that temptation to watch it. I watched it. But I started feeling guilt. I came here looking for guidance and I'm lucky that I found it. I slowly started realising that it is not wrong but it is up to you and how you feel. I felt it was wrong so I try my best to stop watching it. It is not easy to stop. But I have to try my utmost best to not give in to the temptation. And it worked! From watching it 1.5h a day to watching 3 mins or not at all in a week!

To all those people who come out here looking out for guidance, let me just tell you one thing. Watch it if you feel that it is not wrong. But the moment you start feeling guilt, do yourself a favour and try to quit watching it. Once again, thank you to all of you for replying and educating me. You all helped me realise and learn something valuable.