US blew up Russian gas pipelines?

[stvdv]

Whilst I agree. When discussing or debating or whatever, it’s a commonly agreed upon “rule” that one’s claims are backed up

I have sensed that this is the case on RF
Personally I don't care if someone's claim is backed up or not
IF it feels right THEN I accept, until I am proven wrong
IF it feels wrong THEN I reject, until I am proven wrong

One of the most important Hindu Scriptures declares :
1) Accept truth spoken, even if it is uttered by a fool
2) Reject untruth spoken, even if it is told by God Himself

I follow this...use discrimination without discrimination

 

[stvdv]

If the source provided is considered less than trustworthy, it is easily dismissed

Yes. And I understand...we get already flooded without so much data, we rather have data we can trust; saves lots of (thinking) time

And without an alternative source, discussion devolves very easily into a back and forth insult competition

That indeed I have discovered...some really enjoy to insult others.
"Insult" is indeed a filter I use to dismiss whatever they say

Hence it’s usually a good idea to provide multiple sources or failing that a source that most people can agree is at least trustworthy

I rather make up my own mind about what is happening. I don't care so much what reporters say
I listen to the News they share, and then I make up my mind what it means and what I believe

And I am extremely patient...I don't mind waiting a few month to check whether or not my feeling was right or wrong

 

[SomeRandom]

I have sensed that this is the case on RF
Personally I don't care if someone's claim is backed up or not
IF it feels right THEN I accept, until I am proven wrong
IF it feels wrong THEN I reject, until I am proven wrong

One of the most important Hindu Scriptures declares :
1) Accept truth spoken, even if it is uttered by a fool
2) Reject untruth spoken, even if it is told by God Himself

I follow this...use discrimination without discrimination

I mean fine if that’s what you want to do.
But funnily enough one of the common “teachings” in my household, from my Mum who is a devout Sai Baba devotee no less, was always, ”God gave you a brain, the least you can do is actually use it.”
Basically it’s an insult to God to not put our investigative skills to the test, since that’s a gift He gave to us.
Also “truth hurts” is another useful teaching. Sometimes the truth goes against all our feelings, our intuition and maybe even our instincts. This is why we fact check and find reasonable sources to use. We look for reliability and watch out for bias. Including our own. If evidence goes against your own conclusions, it’s better to change your conclusions, lest you refuse to “reject untruth.”

 

[SomeRandom]

Yes. And I understand...we get already flooded without so much data, we rather have data we can trust; saves lots of (thinking) time


That indeed I have discovered...some really enjoy to insult others.
"Insult" is indeed a filter I use to dismiss whatever they say


I rather make up my own mind about what is happening. I don't care so much what reporters say
I listen to the News they share, and then I make up my mind what it means and what I believe

And I am extremely patient...I don't mind waiting a few month to check whether or not my feeling was right or wrong

As long as you can admit when you’re proven wrong by the evidence.
It’s humbling, I’ve experienced it many times myself. But as I’ve already said, it keeps us honest.
If you can’t, then you fall into the very same trap you’re talking about

 

[stvdv]

I mean fine if that’s what you want to do.

”God gave you a brain, the least you can do is actually use it.”

And that is exactly what my quotes mean from the Yoga Vasistha
The moment you have Self Confidence, you filter the right info out easily
It's all about using your God given capabilities
No need for bias, just be open and accept the truth, even if from a fool
And reject untruth, even if told you by God Himself
That means you have incredible Self Confidence

Also “truth hurts” is another useful teaching.

Truth does not hurt, it might only hurt the ego who went against truth

 

[stvdv]

As long as you can admit when you’re proven wrong by the evidence.

No problem for me
I do not easily make claims though
Only when I am 100% sure, otherwise I wait till proof shows up

In this thread, I think I made no claims whatsoever
I just shared the info about the gas pipelines, that's all
And always add "I think this might be...." etc

It’s humbling, I’ve experienced it many times myself. But as I’ve already said, it keeps us honest.

Exactly

 

[SomeRandom]

And that is exactly what my quotes mean from the Yoga Vasistha
The moment you have Self Confidence, you filter the right info out easily
It's all about using your God given capabilities
No need for bias, just be open and accept the truth, even if from a fool
And reject untruth, even if told you by God Himself
That means you have incredible Self Confidence

It can also point to overconfidence and reliance of ego.
We should always be checking for the difference in all our actions, right?

Truth does not hurt, it might only hurt the ego who went against truth

I suppose truth hurts insofar as it can humble us. Proving us to be wrong and reminding us of our own limits.

No problem for me
I do not easily make claims though
Only when I am 100% sure, otherwise I wait till proof shows up


In this thread, I think I made no claims whatsoever
I just shared the info about the gas pipelines, that's all
And always add "I think this might be...." etc


Exactly

Okay. If that’s where you’re at. Fair enough

 

[stvdv]

I think I really miss Frau Merkel...at least Europe was at peace, when she was in charge.

I have trust issues when it comes to politicians...maybe she was good, I don't know her that well

Since she left, I have only seen wars and disasters...it's heartbreaking.

Wars and disasters have been there for decades , but recently they are much closer to us (in Europe)....indeed heartbreaking

I want peace.

Amen to that

 

[stvdv]

It can also point to overconfidence and reliance of ego.
We should always be checking for the difference in all our actions, right?

True

The Yoga Vasistha verses show the end goal
Exhorting us to never give up, until we reach that

Self Confidence culminates in Self Realization

Yoga Vasistha does stress the importance of being humble
IF I remember correctly, that counts for 50% on our path to Self Realization

I suppose truth hurts insofar as it can humble us.

I like that one

Proving us to be wrong and reminding us of our own limits.

I agree...quite useful

 

[amorphous_constellation]

Tell me what I am supposed to think.

I don't want to tell you what to think. I learn to think for myself. Like I said, I don't really believe in the dichotomy of saints and devils, as I think it's pretty rare. Each person who lives, seems to make good decisions and bad ones, and no space seems impervious to corruption, or to saint-like behavior. I don't look at humans in some iconic way. I don't really see the point of wrecking the pipeline, whoever did it. For one, it wrecks the environment, and it can't be used if peace comes again, without repairing it

 

[stvdv]

I don't really see the point of wrecking the pipeline, whoever did it. For one, it wrecks the environment, and it can't be used if peace comes again, without repairing it

Yes, I don't see the point of wrecking the pipeline either...abuse of nature's resources...again

 

[Estro Felino]

I don't want to tell you what to think. I learn to think for myself. Like I said, I don't really believe in the dichotomy of saints and devils, as I think it's pretty rare. Each person who lives, seems to make good decisions and bad ones, and no space seems impervious to corruption, or to saint-like behavior. I don't look at humans in some iconic way. I don't really see the point of wrecking the pipeline, whoever did it. For one, it wrecks the environment, and it can't be used if peace comes again, without repairing it

The point is to harm both Germany and Russia.
And Europe in general...because if Germany goes down, we all go down.
Whoever did this, doesn't want Europe to prosper.

 

[Estro Felino]

Get 100% perfect humans, & you
might even make socialism work.

In fact socialism works perfectly in Scandinavia, and almost perfectly in the rest of Europe.

 

[Revoltingest]

In fact socialism works perfectly in Scandinavia, and almost perfectly in the rest of Europe.

Oh, here we go again...you call something
"socialist" when it's a capitalist country.
Do Italians not own dictionaries?

 

[Estro Felino]

Oh, here we go again...you call something
"socialist" when it's a capitalist country.
Do Italians not own dictionaries?

Being told about what socialism is from a country with no State pension system, with no free universal healthcare?
Well, I won't have it...with all due respect, sir.

 

[Revoltingest]

Being preached about socialism by a country with no State pension system, no free universal healthcare?
Well, I won't have it.

You mistake informing you of mis-using a word as "preaching".
Let me help....
Definition of socialism | Dictionary.com

 

[Estro Felino]

You mistake informing you that you mis-use a word as "preaching".
Let me help....
Definition of socialism | Dictionary.com

I respect your opinion.
The problem is that things are not either black and white.
The fact that in European countries the private sector benefits from the the capitalist system does not imply that the public system (the State) is not socialist. The State is socialist. This is present in the first article of the French Constitution and in the fourth article of the Italian Constitution.
The two things are not mutually exclusive.

 

[Revoltingest]

I respect your opinion.
The problem is that things are not either black and white.
The fact that in European countries the private sector benefits from the the capitalist system does not imply that the public system (the State) is not socialist. The State is socialist. This is present in the first article of the French Constitution and in the fourth article of the Italian Constitution.
The two things are not mutually exclusive.

Governments use words incorrectly & even mischievously.
If use of language determined the economic system, then
why deny that Nazi Germany was socialist? It's in the name.

Fans of socialism only point to capitalist countries as examples
of socialism because the actual socialist countries (ie, the people
own the means of production) are authoritarian ****holes, eg,
N Korea, Cuba, USSR.

 

[Estro Felino]

Governments use words incorrectly & even mischievously.
If use of language determined the economic system, then
why deny that Nazi Germany was socialist? It's in the name.

I don't deny anything. Both Fascist Italy and Nazi Germany were nationalist-socialist, because that's what the Duce did: he merged the moderate socialists and the Fasces (nationalists) into one party.

 

[Estro Felino]

I respect and love the American people.
But I am loyal to the We the People and not to the American Deep State, I am deeply sorry.
I will never bow to that horrendous and sectarian Klan.

I have been reading tens of documents these last days of statements from people who have done anything to stop, boycott, undo the creation of Nordstream1 and Nordstream2.
This since the times of Schroeder.
We Europeans did want to build this beautiful and incredible infrastructure. It is the symbol of peace after the Cold war and the Unification of Germany.
Someone has always wanted to undo it.