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Trying to return to Satanism

VioletVortex

Well-Known Member
I hate to be the stick in the mud, but why?

OK, let me clarify, what do you have to lose just being the way you are? What views are you required to have to believe in Satan, or feel affinity toward him? Personally, I borrow quite a bit from LaVey though skip a lot of the lex talonis, and other worthless parts of the philosophy. In that case, for example, I decided that it only matters to seek vengeance if it would please you to. The only core belief I think even matters is a positive outlook on Satan, and that doesn't even mean a master-slave relationship - merely being inspired, and knowing he's there.

A real theistic, to me, arrives at that path over a long period of time with a lot of personal relation to Satan proper. They don't believe anything without knowing and seeing what is there. I was a LaVey Satanist long before that, and grew to where I am. I expect anyone logical or sensible to grow to a spiritual understanding through discovery rather than have faith. Faith isn't really the mode of operation that suits a theistic Satanist, IMHO.

You're pretty young, don't rush it, everything is fine. If you keep looking for Satan, you will find him. It's really that simple.

My views gradually became more and more Theistic overtime. My relationship with Satan reached its peak (hopefully only thus far) in July. As I said, I'd go to bed at night to "experience Satan" so to speak. In August, I started researching Odinism, and I started appreciating its symbolism. It's like picking my favorite band, it's virtually impossible. I take Occultism much more seriously, which is why this is on my mind so much.

Around Thanksgiving, I felt extremely depressed and had lost interest in playing guitar. However, I was temporarily able to rekindle what I had in July, and my depression was instantly gone and I suddenly had a desire to play guitar. But of course, it's in my nature to be self contradictory to the point of torturing myself mentally. I am always indecisive. I've been this way since I was born, and it really sucks. Even when I know something is right, I will still debate it in my head.
 

Onyx

Active Member
Premium Member
I am always indecisive. I've been this way since I was born, and it really sucks. Even when I know something is right, I will still debate it in my head.
It can take a long time to test various ideas and develop your understanding. Being indecisive only proves that you have a vigorous mind, which is good.

We also stand on the shoulders of giants, not just in terms of the occult, but any interest we might seek greater mastery of. The various arts and sciences are equally important in my view.

Embrace your true will, I am confident that your unique individuality will continue to become more refined in the coming years. How long have you been playing the guitar?
 

Adramelek

Setian
Premium Member
Embrace your true will, I am confident that your unique individuality will continue to become more refined in the coming years. How long have you been playing the guitar?

Excellent, for me my piano/keyboard and guitar are excellent tools of Black Magic, excellent ways for me to express my creative mind and will upon the Universe!
 

VioletVortex

Well-Known Member
It can take a long time to test various ideas and develop your understanding. Being indecisive only proves that you have a vigorous mind, which is good.

We also stand on the shoulders of giants, not just in terms of the occult, but any interest we might seek greater mastery of. The various arts and sciences are equally important in my view.

Embrace your true will, I am confident that your unique individuality will continue to become more refined in the coming years. How long have you been playing the guitar?

I've been playing guitar for three years now. I also do black metal vocals, play bass, suck at drums, and suck at keyboards.

You are right; my mind is still on the tail end of its main formative years, so maybe I should embrace my indecisive nature as my mind's way of organizing itself. Like anyone my age, I tend to get excited and jump to conclusions with things rather than seeing any value in the path towards said conclusion.
 

VioletVortex

Well-Known Member
Excellent, for me my piano/keyboard and guitar are excellent tools of Black Magic, excellent ways for me to express my creative mind and will upon the Universe!

Music, and art in general, is great for expressing and promoting a certain worldview. Also, it is an excellent form of magick, as it can create connections to something within the present, past, or even fantasy. There are even some times where I feel that a song connects me to a place to such an extent that I feel like I am there, even though the place "never existed" within the first place.

Besides music being magickal in itself, it can be an element of a ritual; a tool to utilize for the creation of atmosphere.
 
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Luciferi Baphomet

Lucifer, is my Liberator
By "becoming one with Satan", I'm not referring to literal oneness. I'm just saying that my soul felt very consistent with Satan, like I was with him.
Ah ok then.
I feel the same.

What do you mean by Luciferian Satanism as opposed to Theistic Satanism. Are you a Theistic Luciferian who believes that Lucifer is also Satan, or an atheistic Luciferian?
I am a Luciferian Satanist that doesn't worship Lucifer but I believe that he exist. Sometimes I will go to him for help if I need guidance.
 

Kapalika

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaabeeeeeellllllllll gaaaaaaaaaaaammmmmmmmmeeeeeeeee.

Just do you, don't worry about if you fit into a certain box or not. Spirituality is ultimately about self-evolution, changes are expected. Don't cling to something if it isn't working for you.

I mean, look at me. I'm some kind of weird Satanic Shaivite and you don't see me fighting over which I am because I know that such a label is just another product of ontological falsehood.
 

Sutekh

Priest of Odin
Premium Member
Besides music being magickal in itself, it can be an element of a ritual; a tool to utilize for the creation of atmosphere.

Music also makes ones workings more effective spiritually within activating and controlling ones subjective Universe. I have been currently listening to this Dark ambient music Lable group known as Cryo Chamber I originally heard this from Adramelek and 1137's introduction. One of their songs that I am currently new to are those ones-

 

Adramelek

Setian
Premium Member
Besides music being magickal in itself, it can be an element of a ritual; a tool to utilize for the creation of atmosphere.

One of the more interesting illustrations of the understanding of the relation between Lesser and Greater Black Magic in ritual workings, I think, was given in Anton LaVey's "Die Elektrischen Vorspiele" - "O learn the Law my brothers of the night, the Great Law and the Lesser Law. The Great Law brings the balance and doth persist without mercy. The Lesser Law abideth as the key and the Shining Trapezoid is the door."

The use of music like with other ritual trappings; invocations, symbols, and other stimuli are LBM tools we use during ritual workings to help us refine and implement our Will within the Universe, resulting in Greater Black Magical manifestation.
 
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Sutekh

Priest of Odin
Premium Member
I know that feeling, and I wouldn't want to miss it.
But, as Adramelek already mentioned, it's not a steady path we are on. Sometimes I feel this euphoria that comes with it for hours on end, sometimes it's hardly there for days or even weeks.

I understand what you mean, at times I might feel this Euphoria on occasions from Ritual Magick or Music in general. This Euphoria I consider to be the Black Flame within our consciousness, at times our Black Flame becomes energized where we feel as if our Subjective Universe is hard to keep in place, then at times our Black Flame wears off but then rekindles the next day. This is my own theory and interpretation from experience in general. Our path which isn't steady is hard to stay on this dark path, I have a few friends that I care about dearly but they do not know that I am a Satanist in general. At times when I socialize with people who'm some are mundane I feel as if its hard to stay within your Dark Path, but I always try to stay within my path whether I do not feel any "Euphoria."
 
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VioletVortex

Well-Known Member
I understand what you mean, at times I might feel this Euphoria on occasions from Ritual Magick or Music in general. This Euphoria I consider to be the Black Flame within our consciousness, at times our Black Flame becomes energized where we feel as if our Subjective Universe is hard to keep in place, then at times our Black Flame wears off but then rekindles the next day. This is my own theory and interpretation from experience in general. Our path which isn't steady is hard to stay on this dark path, I have a few friends that I care about dearly but they do not know that I am a Satanist in general. At times when I socialize with people who'm some are mundane I feel as if its hard to stay within your Dark Path, but I always try to stay within my path whether I do not feel any "Euphoria."

I think that the Black Flame as well as the gods, Alfs/Daimons exist both within and without the mind. All emotions are manifestations of these things, and the ultimate to me is the Black Flame, which I see as the force of Odin/Satan within the mind.
 

Sutekh

Priest of Odin
Premium Member
I think that the Black Flame as well as the gods, Alfs/Daimons exist both within and without the mind.

I understand when you mention within but I am curious on your view on why the Black Flame is also externally without the mind. I can understand that the Gods or Archetypes can exist internally and externally. But for me I view the Black Flame a bit differently.
 
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VioletVortex

Well-Known Member
I understand when you mention within but I am curious on your view on why the Black Flame is also externally without the mind. I can understand that the Gods or Archetypes can exist internally and externally. But for me I view the Black Flame a bit differently.

I think that there is a lesser mind and a greater mind. The lesser mind is the physical structure and spiritual energy (sentience) contained within the brain, and the greater mind is the aura surrounding it. It can be furthered in magic.
 

1137

Here until I storm off again
Premium Member
Satanism itself is a Christian manifestation of more ancient, polytheistic paths. This is one of the best things about Setian philosophy, as it recognizes this and leads back to a more pure form of polytheism. Specifically the works of Dr. Stephen Flowers if you're interested in heathenry (sp?).
 

VioletVortex

Well-Known Member
Satanism itself is a Christian manifestation of more ancient, polytheistic paths. This is one of the best things about Setian philosophy, as it recognizes this and leads back to a more pure form of polytheism. Specifically the works of Dr. Stephen Flowers if you're interested in heathenry (sp?).

I think that that the modern image of Satan is a composite of various Indo-European deities. Christianity has a tendency to demonize the gods of other religions, so naturally, they would denounce the gods Indo-European tribes heading southward as Devils. The Christians unknowingly reinvented Satan from the same gods when they invaded Europe.

What is interesting though is Set. He is definitely distinct from any European deities, however, his imagery and attributes are the same as Ea, Odin, and the Satan revered by Satanists. The links don't necessarily have to be cultural, they can be rooted in the forces represented by the gods themselves.
 

Liu

Well-Known Member
I understand what you mean, at times I might feel this Euphoria on occasions from Ritual Magick or Music in general. This Euphoria I consider to be the Black Flame within our consciousness, at times our Black Flame becomes energized where we feel as if our Subjective Universe is hard to keep in place, then at times our Black Flame wears off but then rekindles the next day. This is my own theory and interpretation from experience in general. Our path which isn't steady is hard to stay on this dark path, I have a few friends that I care about dearly but they do not know that I am a Satanist in general. At times when I socialize with people who'm some are mundane I feel as if its hard to stay within your Dark Path, but I always try to stay within my path whether I do not feel any "Euphoria."
No worries, I don't intend to ever leave this path, no matter whether I get off on it or not ;) It's its own reward.
I'm currently in a strongly agnostic position regarding the nature of the Black Flame and of Satan. The only thing I know (or define) is that the Black Flame is what drives me onwards, and Satan is that of which I am.
But it does make sense to assume the euphoria to be related to it - even if it's just my subconscious telling me that it likes what I'm doing xD

Satanism itself is a Christian manifestation of more ancient, polytheistic paths. This is one of the best things about Setian philosophy, as it recognizes this and leads back to a more pure form of polytheism. Specifically the works of Dr. Stephen Flowers if you're interested in heathenry (sp?).
While this isn't directed at me I still would like to reply to it more or less as if it were.

There seems to be the notion among Setians that theirs is a more pure, general form of Satanism. From my own point of view, the contrary is the case. While I see the problem with the name of Satanism, for me it is a religion not bound to Abrahamic religions in any way. It only has its name because no one came up with a better one yet, but I can as well call myself a Discordian, a Shaiva, a Baphometian, each of which terms has its own problems.

I thought for a while that Satanism could be equated with the LHP, but I'm not sure about this anymore - but what I think could be said about all Satanists is that we all religiously relate to interpretations and aspects of that what is sometimes called "the dark force in nature" or "the prince of darkness", no matter which of its cultural representations we work with.

Setians do that as well, and are therefore Satanists, in my opinion, but they limit themselves in a specific way - by only accepting specific metaphysical assumptions, especially mind-matter dualism. Therefore, Setianism is a specific version of the more general religion of Satanism.

From the point of view of a kind of Satanism that only employs Abrahamic notions, Setianism is certainly more "pure", but I don't think many of the more serious Satanists would do so.
 

Sutekh

Priest of Odin
Premium Member
I thought for a while that Satanism could be equated with the LHP, but I'm not sure about this anymore - but what I think could be said about all Satanists is that we all religiously relate to interpretations and aspects of that what is sometimes called "the dark force in nature" or "the prince of darkness", no matter which of its cultural representations we work with.

Coming from my core aspects of my beliefs in general I tend to regard Satan as a force in Nature, a force that drives man to survive. To some extent I compare parts of this belief system that I have to be similar to Social Darwinism which I might still subscribe to parts of it.
 

VioletVortex

Well-Known Member
I'm feeling the pull towards Satanism again. Recently, I've been scorning myself for doing things like watching porn, just because people whom I see as having authority in Paganism say that porn is a form of degeneracy. That's just an example, but I'm wondering if maybe Paganism is becoming a source of entrapment for me, in a similar manner to how Christianity enslaves Christians. Maybe I am being a sheep, I don't know.

I have a strong, innate tendency to tear myself between two things, ideas, courses of action, or mentalities. It's extremely unpleasant when this happens.
 

Sutekh

Priest of Odin
Premium Member
I'm feeling the pull towards Satanism again. Recently, I've been scorning myself for doing things like watching porn, just because people whom I see as having authority in Paganism say that porn is a form of degeneracy. That's just an example, but I'm wondering if maybe Paganism is becoming a source of entrapment for me, in a similar manner to how Christianity enslaves Christians. Maybe I am being a sheep, I don't know.


If your'e feeling the pull to go back within this Satanic Path of yours follow it and achieve it. Do not resist that pull within, it is perhaps normal within human nature when one becomes enlightened to another new Path which is his or hers cup of tea compared to his or hers old path. But it is perhaps perfectly natural if one chooses to go back to his old ways if his new ways does not work for him. When you mention that you feel perhaps ashamed for watching porn since your fellow Pagans find it as a form of "degeneracy," you are simply going against the grain of this new current of yours that you are adhering to, this is a form of the Left Hand Path. Porn in my opinion is normal within human nature in general, obviously a Muslim has trouble suppressing his sexual desires which may cause a destruction within his own very self. Obviously you might not agree that I consider Porn to be part of Nature however, every human has a different form of Sexual fantasies or desires that some may have the urge to fulfill it, whether it is viewed to be deviant. I live a very hedonistic lifestyle aside perhaps from your own views regarding contempt for porn. This hedonistic lifestyle that I adhere to pertains to my ideology behind my own Satanism. When you mention Paganism "becoming a source of entrapment," perhaps this new Path of yours is not working for you. I think you belong more to the Left Hand Path, and I think that your old path works for you more. I am guessing this Paganism that you are trying to keep in check is more along the lines of the Right Hand Path. Do not follow every guideline that suppresses the things you are tempted to do, your are an individual not a follower nor a leader, achieve those things whether it is considered unnatural. Follow the things that pertains to you alone within, do not listen to any of these so called religious leaders who controls your everyday life within.
 
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VioletVortex

Well-Known Member
If your'e feeling the pull to go back within this Satanic Path of yours follow it and achieve it. Do not resist that pull within, it is perhaps normal within human nature when one becomes enlightened to another new Path which is his or hers cup of tea compared to his or hers old path. But it is perhaps perfectly natural if one chooses to go back to his old ways if his new ways does not work for him. When you mention that you feel perhaps ashamed for watching porn since your fellow Pagans find it as a form of "degeneracy," you are simply going against the grain of this new current of yours that you are adhering to, this is a form of the Left Hand Path. Porn in my opinion is normal within human nature in general, obviously a Muslim has trouble suppressing his sexual desires which may cause a destruction within his own very self. Obviously you might not agree that I consider Porn to be part of Nature however, every human has a different form of Sexual fantasies or desires that some may have the urge to fulfill it, whether it is viewed to be deviant. I live a very hedonistic lifestyle aside perhaps from your own views regarding contempt for porn. This hedonistic lifestyle that I adhere to pertains to my ideology behind my own Satanism. When you mention Paganism "becoming a source of entrapment," perhaps this new Path of yours is not working for you. I think you belong more to the Left Hand Path, and I think that your old path works for you more. I am guessing this Paganism that you are trying to keep in check is more along the lines of the Right Hand Path. Do not follow every guideline that suppresses the things you are tempted to do, your are an individual not a follower nor a leader, achieve those things whether it is considered unnatural. Follow the things that pertains to you alone within, do not listen to any of these so called religious leaders who controls your everyday life within.

As far as RHP goes...maybe so? I've asked myself that question before, and I really don't know how to answer it. As someone who is mostly LHP at the core, I think I sort of look up to the RHP, due to social reasons.

What if, though, by watching porn and being in essence addicted to it, I am following the right hand path? Binding myself to just another set of rules.
 
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