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Featured To Know or Not To Know... That Is The Question

Discussion in 'Scriptural Debates' started by Tony Price 77, May 1, 2018.

  1. Tony Price 77

    Tony Price 77 New Member

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    Hi. I'm new to the forum and I wanted to post a thread here since debates are not allowed in the Jehovah's Witnesses forum. Also, even though I'm a former Jehovah's Witness, this debate is for anyone to participate in.

    But to start off, quoting from JWs' translation of the Bible, The New World Translation, Genesis 18:20-21 says:

    Then Jehovah said: "The outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is indeed great, and their sin is very heavy. I will go down to see whether they are acting according to the outcry that has reached me. And if not, I can get to know it."

    So in essence, Jehovah is saying that he NEEDS to go down to see whether or not the people of Sodom and Gomorrah are acting accordingly to the outcries and complaints against them. And if they are not, then he can get to know that too.

    But my question is: Why would Jehovah NOT know every little thing that is going on in a recently fallen and now sinful world, and isn't keeping a VERY close eye on it? Because something doesn't sound right to me. Therefore, could either a Jehovah's Witness or anyone else, please explain these verses to me?
     
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  2. Skwim

    Skwim Veteran Member

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    Just as an FYI. Of the 51 other versions of the Bible I checked, all say pretty much the same thing:

    "I will go down," "I want to go down," "I shall come down," "I go down now," "I must go down," and "I am going down."

    But your point is well taken. The Bible has god doing a lot of stuff that's contrary to his accepted nature.


    And, welcome to RF. [​IMG] but watch out for anyone who doesn't eat spinach.

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  3. Estro Felino

    Estro Felino Believer in free will
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    Maybe you ignore that what is translated into Greek as ò Theòs (God)...is not a single word.
    - In the very first chapter of the Genesis God is called Elohim
    -At a certain point, with Abraham, he is called El Shaddai
    - Then, with Jacob he is called YHWH


    Conclusions? They're not the same person...

    (Btw...the most shocking thing is that "God" and the 2 angels have a meal with Abraham)
     
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  4. Nowhere Man

    Nowhere Man Bompu Zen Man with a little bit of Bushido.

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    It would certainly seem that way.


    I find Elohim is regarded as a grammatically plural noun. I think meaning gods or deities.


    YHWH leads me to the Tetragrammaton. The Hebrew God specifically.
     
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  5. Skwim

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    Conclusion: A rose by any other name. . . .

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    Reading poetic language as literal fact is the mistake, here. Once you stop doing that, you may be able to ascertain and focus on the essential ideal being conveyed by this mythical story.
     
  7. Jayhawker Soule

    Jayhawker Soule <yawn> ignore </yawn>
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    Pretending that something is "poetic language" is groundless.
     
  8. Jayhawker Soule

    Jayhawker Soule <yawn> ignore </yawn>
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    Genesis 18:20-21 should be informed by Genesis 18:17-19.
     
  9. Tony Price 77

    Tony Price 77 New Member

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    Hi, Skwim. And thanks for the warm welcome. Also, because I'm used to debating with JWs, I've gotten into a habit of quoting from their Bible so that having a different translation saying something a bit different won't be an issue with them. :)
     
  10. Tony Price 77

    Tony Price 77 New Member

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    Thank you for your reply, Luca85. Also, it might take me a little while to process what you said, therefore, it might be a little while before I respond to your post. :)
     
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  11. Tony Price 77

    Tony Price 77 New Member

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    I see. So what do you think the essential ideal is which is being conveyed by this mythical story?
     
  12. Tony Price 77

    Tony Price 77 New Member

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    I see. Well, I didn't want to spend too much time researching verses 17-19, but could you tell me what you think the significance is of those verses?
     
  13. PureX

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    The ideal is that sooner or later we humans will suffer the consequence for our immoral behavior. Ancient Judaic religious belief, like most ancient religious belief, presumed that natural disasters were the direct result of the wrath of the gods. And that nature, itself, was a manifestation of the 'divine will'. One of the reasons the ancient Jews believed that homosexuality was immoral, for example, was because they believed it was an 'unnatural' expression of sexuality. And anything 'unnatural' was also considered 'ungodly'.
     
  14. Jayhawker Soule

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    Seriously?
    I could but, given the above, it strikes me as an abuse of my time.

    On the other hand, should anyone else be curious, let me know ...
     
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    dmap God is good and beautiful

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    Easy to explain. The Bible is mostly fiction.
     
  16. Tony Price 77

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    I see. But if what you're saying is true, then I'm sorry to say, but I don't really care. Because the only reason why I started this thread was for the purpose of debating Bible apologists who actually do believe that these Bible stories are literal Gospel truths that we have to heed and have to abide by.
     
  17. Tony Price 77

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    Well, I can make sure that I can just pass your ridiculous posts up in the future.
     
  18. Tony Price 77

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    lol :D Interesting post.
     
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    I believe this is a case of knowing about something as opposed to experiencing bodily.
     
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    I believe you read the Bible with minimal understanding. because there is no way that can happen.
     
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