dust1n
Zindīq
Thank you! You're right. I've been really working on my debate skills and my communication skills, and I'm getting a much better grasp at how to interact with people.
So, I'm happy to see that I am, in fact, improving.
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There's no such thing as the "war on women"
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Thank you! You're right. I've been really working on my debate skills and my communication skills, and I'm getting a much better grasp at how to interact with people.
So, I'm happy to see that I am, in fact, improving.
InChrist
Free4ever
Left to itself the natural life process of the gestation of the human fetus results in a baby being born. To stop this process through abortion stops life, brings death and is murder of human life.
8 Week old fetus:
Organs
The fetal heartbeat is beating at a rate of approximately 150 times per minute, which is about twice as fast as the mother's heartbeat. The breathing tubes that go from the throat to the lungs are beginning to form, and nerve cells in the brain are developing rapidly. The gender of the baby will not be visible for quite some time, however, because the genitals have not yet developed.
Face
An 8-week-old fetus is beginning to resemble a baby, especially since some distinct characteristics are forming on the face. The eyelids, although very thin, are formed, and the lips and nose are beginning to develop. More specifically, the upper lip and the tip of the nose are prominent at this time. All of these characteristics are forming on a head that is oversized during this stage. At this point, the head makes up about half of the fetus.
Read more: http://www.livestrong.com/article/84348-8week-fetus-look-like/#ixzz2Vq0HZFjD
8 Week old fetus:
Organs
The fetal heartbeat is beating at a rate of approximately 150 times per minute, which is about twice as fast as the mother's heartbeat. The breathing tubes that go from the throat to the lungs are beginning to form, and nerve cells in the brain are developing rapidly. The gender of the baby will not be visible for quite some time, however, because the genitals have not yet developed.
Face
An 8-week-old fetus is beginning to resemble a baby, especially since some distinct characteristics are forming on the face. The eyelids, although very thin, are formed, and the lips and nose are beginning to develop. More specifically, the upper lip and the tip of the nose are prominent at this time. All of these characteristics are forming on a head that is oversized during this stage. At this point, the head makes up about half of the fetus.
Read more: http://www.livestrong.com/article/84348-8week-fetus-look-like/#ixzz2Vq0HZFjD
Alceste
Vagabond
Thank you! You're right. I've been really working on my debate skills and my communication skills, and I'm getting a much better grasp at how to interact with people.
Not me. I came here to smash.
Kilgore Trout
Misanthropic Humanist
I like the way your clothes shred and rip when you go on a rampage.
dust1n
Zindīq
Then why does God murder so many babies with miscarriage? It is murder after all. Why is God a murderer of fetuses?
I am a mother of four children. I gave birth to two children myself. I am well aware of the stages of fetal development.
I will ask the same question of you as I have of others: Have you researched the Roe vs. Wade decision and the official Court Opinion? Can you understand why the court deemed abortion accessibility according to protections for both the woman and the viability of the fetus? I think it's a great compromise in beginning to determine what is the most ethical position regarding abortion.
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Alceste
Vagabond
And the green skin?
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
Left to its own natural process, many, many, many times the woman's body will naturally abort the growing organism. It's actually very common for a fertilized embryo to not become attached to the uterus and simply be flushed out of the body.
InChrist
Free4ever
InChrist
Free4ever
Yes, I understand the reasoning of the court. I also understand that there will always be women who choose to terminate their pregnancy and that the court was attempting to provide a way for the procedure to be available in a safe medical environment. I'm not big on legislating morality, although we as a society do legislate against murder and other moral crimes. I'm just saying that I believe it is murder to end a developing human life. Although, I realize and don't expect non-believers ( in the Creator God of life ) to have this perspective concerning life.
Alceste
Vagabond
That sounds completely reasonable to me, although I do not agree that abortion is a "killing" because I don't perceive a fertilized egg or a parasitic clump of cells in a woman's uterus as a "child". Nevertheless, maybe they should have invited you to take part in that panel to offer a woman's perspective.
dust1n
Zindīq
I don't get why when God murders a fetus, it's called "nature taking its course."
InChrist
Free4ever
You were once what you call "a parasitic clump of cells in a woman's uterus" and you were a child and now are an adult human person. I just believe there is value to human life at whatever stage it's at in the process.
InChrist
Free4ever
God is the the ultimate Creator of life in the first place and humans aren't. If He allows a developing baby to die then there are righteous and eternal reasons for doing so.
Kilgore Trout
Misanthropic Humanist
How convenient!
Dirty Penguin
Master Of Ceremony
But where in the Animal Kingdom are we willing to draw the line with this sentiment?
Is it because we (in general) place value over various species on the planet?
I know these are moral arguments but I'm interested in these questions along with the legal ones that have been raised and answered.
dust1n
Zindīq
So God murders a baby, "righteous." Woman murders a baby, "immoral."
I thought God did things because the things he did were right. I can see now that there is no "right," because "right" just means whatever God does.
InChrist
Free4ever
InChrist
Free4ever
Well, as a believer in the biblical scriptures as God's Word I draw the line at the revealed information that humans are made in the image of God animals aren't, but that is my perspective.
Alceste
Vagabond
Sure, and if my mother had not chosen to have me, I would never have existed, nobody would miss me, and I couldn't be sad about it. In some strange world where you could exist even if you were never born in the first place, I would have completely supported her decision to abort me and my brother if she'd wanted to. She was only 22, just married, depressed, far from home, and her husband was / is bipolar and cheated on her during her pregnancy. I love my mother and want her to be happy, and I think she might have been much, much, much better off if she'd waited to start a family and left my dad. She's beautiful, intelligent, kind, funny and loved by everyone who meets her. But she's spent her entire adult life babysitting a man who really can't offer her a thing, just because he's the father of her kids.
She once apologized to me for choosing him, if you can believe that. I had to tell her it doesn't work like that. If she'd picked somebody else, I would never have existed in the first place, so she had nothing to apologize for.