There's no such thing as the "war on women"

[Dirty Penguin]

Made you look....


20-Week Abortion Bill Advanced By All-Male Congressional Panel

Republicans in the House Judiciary subcommittee voted on Tuesday to expand Rep. Trent Franks' (R-Ariz.) proposed D.C. abortion bill to apply to the whole country and advanced the bill favorably to the full committee. The bill would ban abortions after 20 weeks of pregnancy in the United States in all cases except those in which the mother's life is in danger.

Tell me do you think about this initiative by this all male group of republican men?

 

[Titanic]

I would say since there was not a woman voting on this bill that concern's women make's it a wrong worthless vote. But it's really nothing new. A dull moot point. I am anti-abortion very strongly.

 

[MysticSang'ha]

Made you look....


20-Week Abortion Bill Advanced By All-Male Congressional Panel


Tell me do you think about this initiative by this all male group of republican men?

It should not pass as constitutional due to the Roe vs. Wade decision.

People who think feminism is unnecessary ought to look at bills like this trying to be passed in Congress.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

I think all these fat, old idiots should spend less time thinking about women's uteruses, and more on solving actual problems.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

I would say since there was not a woman voting on this bill that concern's women make's it a wrong worthless vote. But it's really nothing new. A dull moot point. I am anti-abortion very strongly.

Question.....

If you're strongly opposed to abortion what difference does it make if it was simply a panel of men enacting an agenda you support? Is it the underlying provisions in their bill proposal?

It's an honest question. I have no motives or combative agenda with your response to my question. I'm simply trying to get an understanding is all.

 

[Rainbow Mage]

An all male panel...

Yeah no war on women here...

 

[freethinker44]

They are more lenient than me, I would have made it 12 weeks.

 

[Rainbow Mage]

They are more lenient than me, I would have made it 12 weeks.

What gives men the right to tell women what to do in this regard exactly?

 

[freethinker44]

What gives men the right to tell women what to do in this regard exactly?

What gives women the right to murder children?

 

[Me Myself]

sigh*

 

[Rainbow Mage]

What gives women the right to murder children?

It isn't murder if a fetus isn't a person. Which it isn't.

 

[Me Myself]

It isn't murder if a fetus isn't a person. Which it isn't.

He is looking it from the moral perspective, not the legal one.

 

[Rainbow Mage]

He is looking it from the moral perspective, not the legal one.

I'm looking at it from the moral perspective too. What is immoral about aborting a mass of undeveloped tissues that cannot function on their own?

I don't see why some need to romanticize fetuses.

 

[freethinker44]

It isn't murder if a fetus isn't a person. Which it isn't.

That all depends at what point you define a person. I would say at some point in the second trimester a fetus becomes a person. So I would consider abortion to be murder after the first trimester.

 

[Me Myself]

I'm looking at it from the moral perspective too. What is immoral about aborting a mass of undeveloped tissues that cannot function on their own?

I don't see why some need to romanticize fetuses.

What is more immoral, killing an adult dog or a newborn baby, and why?

 

[Dirty Penguin]

It isn't murder if a fetus isn't a person. Which it isn't.

FT might be playing ("devil's advocate") here or he might be trying to be facetious. I've never gotten the vibe from him he was anti-abortion. Oh, heck....Huow much do you really know about a person who's anonymous on the internet...

 

[freethinker44]

I'm looking at it from the moral perspective too. What is immoral about aborting a mass of undeveloped tissues that cannot function on their own?

I don't see why some need to romanticize fetuses.

Would you consider it murder if a mother let a new born baby die because she did not care for it? If not murder it would at least be morally repulsive right? I if yes, why is it wrong to let new-born infants die from neglect? Could it be because they can't function on their own? Perhaps the definition of person should be pushed back to a year after the birth of a child.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

What gives women the right to murder children?

I suppose the same thing that gives you the right to be blantaly intellectually dishonest.

 

[freethinker44]

FT might be playing ("devil's advocate") here or he might be trying to be facetious. I've never gotten the vibe from him he was anti-abortion. Oh, heck....Huow much do you really know about a person who's anonymous on the internet...

No, I am being honest. To me, there is a point where a fetus becomes a person and abortion becomes murder. I wouldn't say birth is the defining point of personhood either, that doesn't make sense, one hour before birth the baby is just an unformed mass? No, but I don't believe life starts at conception either. So there is a grey area between getting rid of an unformed mass, and murdering a child, from what I understand of pregnancy I would put that grey area somewhere in the second trimester. So to me, the moral thing would be to outlaw abortion after the first trimester.

 

[Rainbow Mage]

Would you consider it murder if a mother let a new born baby die because she did not care for it? If not murder it would at least be morally repulsive right? I if yes, why is it wrong to let new-born infants die from neglect? Could it be because they can't function on their own? Perhaps the definition of person should be pushed back to a year after the birth of a child.

That's the point. Society defines when life begins. There is no objective definition. I ask again- what is immoral about aborting a collective of undeveloped tissues?