PureX
Veteran Member
For you.
Christians should (and most do) already understand that the story is about sharing truth, not conveying facts.
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There is NO Historical Evidence for Jesus
- Thread starter Thrillobyte
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lukethethird
unknown member
Oh my God, evidence to verify that the protagonist in question is based on an actual person. Is that so difficult to understand? No, liking the story does not make it based on actual events of an actual time and place in history. The Bible cannot be used to verify The Bible no matter how much it inspires people. This should not be so difficult, it's called backing up your claims.
lukethethird
unknown member
OK, so there are no facts as concerns an historical Jesus, thank you, and may your God go with you.
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PureX
Veteran Member
It's ALL evidence of that. Why can't you accept that?
I do understand. You want to define evidence so narrowly that you can't have any. You want bones, or DNA, or some disinterested written direct documentation. But there isn't any of that for the vast majority of humans that lived and died in that time and place. The fact that there is any story at all is pretty good evidence that someone did something extraordinary. And the fact that he wasn't a king or an emperor makes that even more likely. But that means nothing to you. Right? That's not even unconvincing evidence. To you it's no evidence at all. It's just unrelated, meaningless information.
I didn't say anything about "liking" it. I said that people living in close proximity found the story believable. And have ever since. That's a lot of people, And believe it or not, a lot of them were a lot smarter than you. Especially the ones that understand that hisrtrical accuracy is irrelevant to the truth of the story.
Evidence does not have to verify anything to stand as evidence. This is what you can't seem to grasp.
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PureX
Veteran Member
You have no way of knowing what parts of the story are factual an what aren't. And neither do I. For all either of us knows it could have all happened exactly as told. Or it could all be fictitious. And it wouldn't make any difference, anyway, because it's a mythical story, now. It's no longer about being factual. It's about conveying an ideology. Something you don't understand at all.
PearlSeeker
Well-Known Member
If they would fabricate the whole story they would left out things like baptism, the temple incident and the crucified messiah. It looks like they couldn't left it out because they had a hard time with apologetic explaining how these events fit the story.
This means high historical probability.
Tinker Grey
Wanderer
Your low standard is nothing to brag about.
I don’t see any Christians saying this.
Audie
Veteran Member
The given reasons may be accurate.
To me it looks like appropriation,
hijacking gravitas.
But then an atheist won't be inclined to think
anyone's religion is anything but phony.
Audie
Veteran Member
Who among them would say the bible
is false but true.
Thrillobyte
Active Member
You have no idea what secular scholars consider evidence, do you?
Colt
Well-Known Member
Sure he is, Jesus is here in spirit. When he returned to heaven he poured out the spirit of truth upon all flesh. But Atheist hecklers on religious forums are clueless about the existence of such a spirit. Atheists have an evil spirit.
Imop
lukethethird
unknown member
Only as an idea, in the same category as Superman.
I suggest it is believers like you who take on a huge burden. If you really think Jesus exists in any way and is important then not doubt you work very hard to live as Jesus did, and not just hold a head full of beliefs as if that's all that matters.
Do you think you live your life anything like jesus? If not then I suggest you are the actual heckler against Jesus and what he stood for.
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Audie
Veteran Member
Or Batboy
Audie
Veteran Member
Sgt. Pepper
All you need is love.
In my opinion, the post you responded to is certainly pompous, and it reeks of hypocrisy. I won't say anything else other than post these quotes.
"I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.” Mahatma Gandhi
While I like Gandhi's quote, I like this quote by Brendan Manning even more: "The greatest single cause of atheism in the world today is Christians, who acknowledge Jesus with their lips, walk out the door, and deny Him by their lifestyle. That is what an unbelieving world simply finds unbelievable."
Many Christians don't think the gospels are "factual", but they are still considered to speak and teach great truths. Can you figure out how that can be possible? PureX actually explained that if you didn't catch it.