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Theists, do you wish everyone to obey whatever you say God say everyone should obey?

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Pudding, Jun 15, 2021.

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  1. I want to live in a world where everyone obey whatever i say God say everyone should obey.

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  2. I want to live in a world where everyone obey whatever I believe God say everyone should obey.

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  3. I want to live in a world where everyone obey whatever my religion say God say everyone should obey.

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  4. I pray that one day everyone will obey whatever I believe God say everyone should obey.

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  5. I'll try to conquer the world so everyone will obey whatever I believe God say everyone should obey.

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  6. It made me sad that not everyone obey whatever i believe God say everyone should obey.

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  7. It made me angry that not everyone obey whatever i believe God say everyone should obey.

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  8. People will be in trouble in afterlife if they don't obey whatever i believe God say we should obey.

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  9. All of the above options don't apply to me.

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  10. Other answer.

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  1. Pudding

    Pudding Well-Known Member

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    Theists, do you wish everyone to obey whatever you say God say everyone should obey?
    Does it made you sad/angry that not everyone obey whatever you believe God say everyone should obey?
    Do you plan to rule the world so that everyone will obey whatever you believe God say everyone should obey?

    Questions for anyone:

    What is your feeling towards the fact that this world has a lot of different religions and sects of religions which want everyone to obey whatever they say God say everyone should obey?

    What does the behaviour that "a lot of different religions and sects of religions want everyone to obey whatever they say God say everyone should obey" contribute to this world? Does it make this world a better place? Does it bring happiness to this world? Does it unite everyone?

    What is your reaction to some of those religions which want you to obey whatever they say their Gods say you should obey and want you to join them and pay the membership fees and threatening that there're bad consequences waiting for you after you die if you don't join them?

    What is your reaction to some of those religions which say that their Gods order you to practice slavery, racism, misogyny and/or some other immoral/evil/irrational/barbaric behaviours?

    Do you ask them to prove their Gods exist as real beings? Do they provide sufficient convincing evidence to convince you their Gods really exist?

    Lastly, where're those Gods? Where do they live? Why all of them invisible and silence? Why are they so shy? Why don't all of them come out and make friends with each other? If all of them are real true Gods, are they able to tolerate each other's existence? Will they fight with each other? Who'll win?

    (I might not be participate in this discussion, so please feel free to discuss/debate with other people here.)
     
  2. PureX

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    I know there are some, but I have personally never met a theist that believes that everyone should be forced to obey God's laws as they perceive them. Every theist I have ever met understands that humanity has been given the right to choose their own path, by God, even if in doing so they may condemn themselves to hell.
     
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  3. sun rise

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    Good. It would be a boring and unbalanced world without the diversity of multiple paths to God.

    It's not the religions but how human beings distort the essential nature of the religion and espouse continuing practices that we've evolved out of.

    God loves "hide and seek"
     
  4. Conscious thoughts

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    People are free to believe and follow what ever religion or spiritual teaching they wish.
    To force my belief on to others are not a right way to do it.
     
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    Yeah, you're right. Sometimes I post with the intent of convincing them of what I believe, and we should have a dialogue, and not a debate. This forum, unfortunately, is a bad influence of the spirit in which I post here. It's easier to have the right spirit with you.
     
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    The belief i hold is personal:) can not force it on to others :)
     
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  7. A Vestigial Mote

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    I can see where you are coming from. It doesn't tend to be brought right out in the open, plainly like this, for sure. That is - people don't tend to say that "everyone should be forced" - however the implications are all over the place.

    The ongoing battle regarding homosexuality in the U.S. for example (I chose the U.S. because I live there, and am most familiar with this brand of what I consider akin to the mini-tyranny spoken of in the OP) - Christians tend to be very vocal amongst themselves, and they test the waters quite often with the general public, or even in the public sphere regarding their ideas that God does not want homosexuals to act on their desires. This is, in a way, their attempting to push people toward the rules they believe their God upholds.

    Note that the problem here isn't about what THEY think is right or wrong, and are willing to defend with logic and reason. No, no no. This is about what they hide behind their God in order to proclaim, and usually can't defend with an actual cogent point to save their lives. What these people think is right and wrong may not even play into it in most situations. They are pointing at God and saying, "Don't blame me! The boss said it!" Which is cowardice, for one, and shouldn't even be considered seriously for another. But this is definitely an example where some theists tend to be very vocal about what everyone else should be doing according to their God.

    And, let's not forget "conversion therapy" type scenarios - within which the drive of those pushing people into it, and often the drive of anyone voluntary undertaking it, tends to be religious in nature or root. And there's the key right there - people being "pushed" into this type of thing. That's forcing - and it is being done all because someone thought it didn't sit right with God.

    In the end, there is definitely some "gray area" attempts to make "God's law" everyone's law. I don't think this can rationally be denied. As much as Christians (in particular) like to often claim that everything is cut and dry, good and bad, right and wrong, they sure do like to play in that gray area. Like backing out of statements that could be interpreted to be slanderous to state that they meant something else - carefully crafting their statements to be able to perform just such an escape, or knocking on your door to "spread the good news", and offering you hell in return for your refusal to believe their spiel. What a deal! They know they can't literally force the issue... but believe me, the most vehement among them have their minds working overtime to figure out what they CAN do to make us all toe the line.
     
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  8. Trailblazer

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    These are very thought-provoking questions. :)
    I feel that the world would be better off if there was just one religion and I am not saying that would be my religion. I see no need for multiple religions and I believe that the only reason we still have them is because people cling to their religion of choice, usually the religion they were raised in, and they won't consider any other religion. I do not believe this is what God wants for humanity and I do not believe this will last forever, because I believe that eventually there will be one common faith, since that is what God has ordained.
    No, I do not think it makes the world a better place or that it brings happiness to this world to have a lot of different religions and sects of religions that want everyone to obey whatever they say God says everyone should obey, all in disagreement with each other, causing strife and disunity.
    I ignore any religion that says and does that.
    I ignore any religion that says and does that.
    No, because I already know that God exists for my own reasons.
    I believe that there is only one God, the one true God, the God that revealed all the religions through a Messenger He sent as His Representative. I do not believe that there is a God for each religion because that makes no logical sense. It is the religious people who fight with each other because they believe the God they believe in is the true God and all the other Gods are false. God has no dog in this silly fight.

    God is and will always remain in hiding, in His own high place. Nobody has ever seen God and nobody ever will.
     
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  9. Jeremiah Ames

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    all of those do not apply to me

    furthermore, they probably don’t apply to god either (assuming there is a god)
     
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    Homophobia is not exclusive to religion. Nor are most religious people homophobes. Just because there are some, does not mean what you are implying.
     
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    You said you "didn't know of any theists" who want to force people to adhere to what their God thinks is right. As in - you know of absolutely zero people like this. I was merely trying to point out the subtleties that exist that display that some of these people (even ones you have likely come in contact with) would very much like it if they could just force everyone to comply. They have to be more subtle about it, obviously, lest they get themselves in trouble. But the impetus is there - alive and active, and compelling them to try and wield their God's will over the masses.
     
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    No one that I know, personally, feels this way, whether they are religious, theists (these are not necessarily the same thing), agnostic, or atheist. I know people who are uncomfortable with homosexuality, and who prefer not to be around it, but they do not wish to outlaw it or force homosexuals into some sort of outcast social minority.

    Lots of Americans are prejudiced against one thing or another, but they also tend to believe in equal justice and opportunity for all. And when confronted with overt bigotry and abuse, will react against it.
     
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  13. A Vestigial Mote

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    Again - on the surface, this would be the expectation of what they would want to display to the world. But what I am saying is that even as some people may not outwardly say that they want to abolish homosexuality (to the tune of forcing homosexuals not to be homosexual), their actions and the things they support say otherwise. Such as my example of conversion therapy - a thing that actually exists and cannot rationally be denied, and has been supported by some theists. I may not know these people personally, but I surely know of them. And I would bet that you know of them as well - even if you don't know them.
     
  14. Trailblazer

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    That has also been my experience. A few religious bigots do not represent the whole.
     
  15. danieldemol

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    I have mixed feelings about this. As a general rule I would say people should do their best to practically apply virtues such as Truthfulness, Compassion etc.

    However I have tried to remove purely arbitrary things of no demonstrable benefit such as chastity from my list of virtues

    In general it only makes me sad when people gratuitously lie, be needlessly impatient etc, however if someone with great wealth steals what little I have it makes me angry. If someone tries to militantly suppress the free competition of ideas it makes me angry.

    So as a general rule I would say sad, but there are exceptions that make me angry.

    No I have no plans to rule the world. I believe that God wants us to elect our governments, as this puts more of the power in the hands of the people where it belongs.

    Sorry for not answering the full list of questions, but it seemed to me like too many questions for one OP.

    In my opinion.
     
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