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Theistic (Biblical) Evolution: how does this sucker work?

viole

Ontological Naturalist
Premium Member
This assumes that what God says is benevolent is what WE think is benevolent, which is incorrect because in any Christian denomination you can think of the teaching is "None can know the mind of God." No one can logically predict what an omniscient being would think or believe is good. It also presumes that God is NOT utilitarian, which I would say there is an excellent case for the Christian God being so.

If none can know the mind of God, how do you know that He is utilitarian?

Ciao

- viole
 

Aman777

Bible Believer
If none can know the mind of God, how do you know that He is utilitarian?

Ciao

- viole

Dear viole, It's UnScriptural to say that we don't know the mind of God, and betrays those who CANNOT support their Religious misunderstandings with Scripture.

1Co 2:16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct Him? But we have the mind of Christ.

The job of the Holy Spirit TODAY is to lead us into ALL Truth. Jhn 16:13 Some are beyond teaching, since they study ancient men's thoughts of what the Bible says, instead of what the Supreme Intelligence of Creation, was actually telling us. BTW, He is a utilitarian, since everything Love does is for everyone's good. God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman
 

McBell

mantra-chanting henotheistic snake handler
Dear viole, It's UnScriptural to say that we don't know the mind of God, and betrays those who CANNOT support their Religious misunderstandings with Scripture.

1Co 2:16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct Him? But we have the mind of Christ.

The job of the Holy Spirit TODAY is to lead us into ALL Truth. Jhn 16:13 Some are beyond teaching, since they study ancient men's thoughts of what the Bible says, instead of what the Supreme Intelligence of Creation, was actually telling us. BTW, He is a utilitarian, since everything Love does is for everyone's good. God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman

Ouch.
So you are saying that every lie you tell is more proof you lack the Holy Spirit you speak of?

Are you claiming that the Holy Spirit is telling you the lies you tell?
 

Aman777

Bible Believer
If God is a utilitarian than why are good works worthless and only faith matters?

Dear Delta, It's because you MUST be born again Spiritually, or you will never see the good that God has made for us at the end fo the present 6th Day. ALL of the good works in the world won't help you, without Jesus. God Bless you.

Isa 64:6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.

In Love,
Aman
 

Delta-9

Member
That's my whole point, God doesn't care about good deeds, which unless I'm missing something is not utilitarian as you say.
 

Aman777

Bible Believer
That's my whole point, God doesn't care about good deeds, which unless I'm missing something is not utilitarian as you say.

Dear Delta, We don't do good deeds in order to be saved, but because ot it. Even in these bars of flesh, we can love each other. God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman
 

Akivah

Well-Known Member
Very well and good, but how does one reconcile this with the claims found in early Genesis where stuff happens independently of one another and in days, etc.?

What I don't understand, is why you think that the bible is a science book. It devotes about half a page to the creation of the universe. The actual mechanics of evolution and how G-d did it, really isn't important.
 

Monk Of Reason

༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ
Dear Readers, Dismissing the highest form of intelligence which ONLY God and Adam have, Gen 3:22 leaves prehistoric man in his Cave forever. This is because Nature does NOT produce Human intelligence in Apes, no matter who tells you otherwise. When you ask these people to show you the evidence of How and When this Magical event took place, they call you names and imply that you are nuts, because you won't BLINDLY accept their provably False ToE. God Bless you.

BTW, TE cannot be supported by Scripture, since it is also False.

In Love,
Aman
Actually we have a pretty good idea of how it happened.

Deforestation of the North African Jungle due to natural causes and changes in climate forced it into what we now see as a Savanna. Having to get out of the tree's it was more beneficial to walk upright on the hind legs to get a better view over the tall grass which freed up the forelimbs of our ancestors.

Now for millions and millions of years prior to this our ancestors developed extremely fine motor skills with their "hands" as a way to get food and climb trees. Now these highly developed limbs are free to do other things which will eventually lead to the usage of tools. This is the first step in understanding how our ancestors developed "human intelligence" which isn't as special as we would like to think. Its simply excessively advanced pattern recognition. Other parts of our "intelligence" isn't even up to par with Chimpanzees.
 

Delta-9

Member
Dear Delta, We don't do good deeds in order to be saved, but because ot it. Even in these bars of flesh, we can love each other. God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman

But how is God a utilitarian if he doesn't care about good deeds by themselves?
 

Aman777

Bible Believer
Actually we have a pretty good idea of how it happened.

Deforestation of the North African Jungle due to natural causes and changes in climate forced it into what we now see as a Savanna. Having to get out of the tree's it was more beneficial to walk upright on the hind legs to get a better view over the tall grass which freed up the forelimbs of our ancestors.

Now for millions and millions of years prior to this our ancestors developed extremely fine motor skills with their "hands" as a way to get food and climb trees. Now these highly developed limbs are free to do other things which will eventually lead to the usage of tools. This is the first step in understanding how our ancestors developed "human intelligence" which isn't as special as we would like to think. Its simply excessively advanced pattern recognition. Other parts of our "intelligence" isn't even up to par with Chimpanzees.

Dear Monk, How sad it is that you have been so bamboozled by the teaching of Godless Evolutionism. The people who came out of Africa were NOT Humans since ONLY the descendants of Adam are Humans....AND .....the Ark didn't get here, to bring the FIRST Humans, until some 10k years ago.

Then, the Historic evidence of the FIRST modern Humans radiated from the mountains of Ararat to the whole Civilized world, and here is the EVIDENCE which NO Evol can explain, since it totally refutes the False ToE. Map: Fertile Cresent, 9000 to 4500 BCE Try again? God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman
 

Kilgore Trout

Misanthropic Humanist
But I do have to wonder how such a Christian decides what is literally true and what is metaphor.

It's all literally true until it becomes impossible to deny that a part of it isn't literally true. That part then becomes a "metaphor," and the rest remains literally true.

Repeat the process as new facts about the world are discovered and verified.

Corollary step: pretend that anything that is considered a "metaphor" now, was always considered a metaphor. This helps to maintain the illusion of consistency.
 

Aman777

Bible Believer
But how is God a utilitarian if he doesn't care about good deeds by themselves?

Dear Delta, God knows good works since they are perfect in every way. When we get to Heaven, we will do good works, for that is what He made us for. Eph 2:10 Until then, our flesh is still filled with greed, envy, and the sins of the flesh, making our righteousnesses, stained through the evil in our flesh. We will do "good" works when we escape the bars of flesh, which hold us to this world. God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman
 

McBell

mantra-chanting henotheistic snake handler
Dear Monk, How sad it is that you have been so bamboozled by the teaching of Godless Evolutionism. The people who came out of Africa were NOT Humans since ONLY the descendants of Adam are Humans....AND .....the Ark didn't get here, to bring the FIRST Humans, until some 10k years ago.

Then, the Historic evidence of the FIRST modern Humans radiated from the mountains of Ararat to the whole Civilized world, and here is the EVIDENCE which NO Evol can explain, since it totally refutes the False ToE. Map: Fertile Cresent, 9000 to 4500 BCE Try again? God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman

Still waiting for you to present some scientific evidence...
 

Sapiens

Polymathematician
How about evidence of any kind, the science fiction version of the Christian Bible gets old real fast, and thats all that he ever posts.
 

Skwim

Veteran Member
It's all literally true until it becomes impossible to deny that a part of it isn't literally true. That part then becomes a "metaphor," and the rest remains literally true.

Repeat the process as new facts about the world are discovered and verified.

Corollary step: pretend that anything that is considered a "metaphor" now, was always considered a metaphor. This helps to maintain the illusion of consistency.
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Aman777

Bible Believer
How about evidence of any kind, the science fiction version of the Christian Bible gets old real fast, and thats all that he ever posts.

Dear Sapiens, It does little good to post actual evidence to the Evol Choir, since they seem to know but one tune. I've posted this one many times, and NO Evol can explain WHY the traits of modern Human intelligence SUDDENLY appeared in the mountains of Ararat, and that the FIRST Human cities were built by Noah's great grandsons and correctly named in Gen 10.

Map: Fertile Cresent, 9000 to 4500 BCE

Above is Empirical Historic Evidence of the Flawed ToE since it shows that modern Humans came to this Earth on an Ark, and NOT through Magical Evolution from some unknown Ape Ancestor, as Godless Evols falsely teach our children. Either address the evidence presented or admit that you cannot FIT the Scriptural and Historic Evidence into the beliefs of the Religion of Evolutionism. Bluster, Bluff and Name calling doesn't count. God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman
 

Sapiens

Polymathematician
Dear Sapiens, It does little good to post actual evidence ...
How would you know? You never have.
... to the Evol Choir, since they seem to know but one tune. I've posted this one many times, and NO Evol can explain WHY the traits of modern Human intelligence SUDDENLY appeared in the mountains of Ararat, and that the FIRST Human cities were built by Noah's great grandsons and correctly named in Gen 10.
This is a claim, not evidence, they are not one and the same thing. Please tell us what EVIDENCE ( something which shows that something else exists or is true; a visible sign of something) you have to support this claim
Map: Fertile Cresent, 9000 to 4500 BCE

Above is Empirical Historic Evidence of the Flawed ToE since it shows that modern Humans came to this Earth on an Ark, and NOT through Magical Evolution from some unknown Ape Ancestor, as Godless Evols falsely teach our children. Either address the evidence presented or admit that you cannot FIT the Scriptural and Historic Evidence into the beliefs of the Religion of Evolutionism. Bluster, Bluff and Name calling doesn't count. God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman
I am familiar with the region, this map is not EVIDENCE, it is simply information that has nothing to do with any of your claims. Please explain what is shown on the map that shows that modern Humans came to this Earth on an Ark. II see nothing there that does.

You have yet to present any evidence so requesting that anyone admit anything is absurd.
 

Aman777

Bible Believer
How would you know? You never have.
This is a claim, not evidence, they are not one and the same thing. Please tell us what EVIDENCE ( something which shows that something else exists or is true; a visible sign of something) you have to support this claim
I am familiar with the region, this map is not EVIDENCE, it is simply information that has nothing to do with any of your claims. Please explain what is shown on the map that shows that modern Humans came to this Earth on an Ark. II see nothing there that does.

You have yet to present any evidence so requesting that anyone admit anything is absurd.

Dear Sapiens, Nice dance but the Map IS evidence of the FIRST human farming, which began some 10k years ago in Northern Mesopotamia, which is EXACTLY where Noah arrived according to Gen 8:4. Human civilization, on this Planet, can be traced to the arrival of the FIRST Humans on this Earth. That is WHY they call the area, the Cradle of Human Civilization. It contains EVIDENCE of the sudden arrival of people with a much higher intelligence level than prehistoric man, who had been here for Millions of years when Noah arrived.

History and Scripture agree, and so does Science, since this also shows the evolution of prehistoric people into Humans, within ONE generation. Gen 10 It happened when Noah's grandsons, like Cain on Adam's Earth, had NO other Humans to marry. They married the prehistoric people and today, there are some Seven Billion Humans (descendants of Adam) who have INHERITED Adam's Superior intelligence, on this Earth. It's the MIRACLE which Evols have failed to notice. Gen 6:1-4 What it demonstrates is that Nature is Mindless, but God is the Supreme Intelligence of Creation. God Bless you.

BTW, Lake Van made a really nice place to anchor a 450 ft covered Barge. Don't you agree?

In Love,
Aman
 
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