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I think there's only two ways that reality could've came to be what it is. #1 The universe created itself. #2 it always existed in some shape or form. What do you think?
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The universe is it's own god.
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How do you define the word "universe"?
Can a universe exist without time? If so, what would "it always existed" mean?
sandandfoam
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I have a notion that even if your question could be answered our language could not express that answer.
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#1 Universe; everything in existence. #2 Time was created by man, and the universe existed before man.
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Why do you think that?
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We might just have to create a better language then.
xkatz
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Because the Big Bang was not the universe being born IMO. I remember reading somewhere that before the big bang, the universe was sort of like a condensed single mass of heat and energy (like a giant star), and that the Big Bang is causing the universe to expand. Eventually, the universe will contract back into it's former state. It's a cyclic type of thing.
Okay.
I disagree with your idea that time was created by man, but that aside, if it was, then the statement "the universe existed before man" would be nonsense, as would be "the universe always existed".
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I have heard this too.
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How so?
What's north of the North Pole?
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Who cares? How did time come to be if man did'nt create it.
xkatz
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You don't really have north, south, etc. on the surface of a sphere.
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I was trying to make a point: there is nothing north of the North Pole. In the same way, there's no such thing as "before time".
I don't know. Does this mean that man must have created it?
Greetings. Here is an interesting Youtube video on the subject. Larry King interviewed Stephen Hawking, Leonard Mlodinow, Deepak Chopra, and Robert Spitzer.
[youtube]9AdKEHzmqxA[/youtube]
YouTube - Larry King Live - Stephen Hawking, Leonard Mlodinow, Deepak Chopra, Robert Spitzer - Part 1 of 3.
Deepak has the right answer.:angel2:
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Of course man created time. Time is a system of observed and calculated movement created by man in order to better organize our lives. The movement was not created by man, but the observation and calculation of the movement (which is called time) was created by man.
No. The "observation and calculation of the movement" is our system of measuring time, not time itself.
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Lets just agree to disagree. Man either created or discovered time. However you like it is cool with me.
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Deepak sounds like a pandeist. I don't know who is right, but I think Stephen Hawking and Leonard Mlodinow ideals are closer to mine.