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The Tribulation and the Messiah

Discussion in 'Interfaith Discussion' started by Wandering Monk, Jul 31, 2019.

  1. Wandering Monk

    Wandering Monk Well-Known Member

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    I do not have a dog in this fight and find this interesting only for historical reasons.

    Judaism and Christianity both express a notion of a special seven-year interval (septenary) preceding the coming of Messiah.

    From the Talmud, Sanhedrin 97a:

    The Sages taught in a baraita: With regard to the seven-year period, i.e., the Sabbatical cycle, during which the Messiah, son of David, comes: During the first year, this verse will be fulfilled: “And I will cause it to rain upon one city and cause it not to rain upon another city” (Amos 4:7). During the second year of that period, arrows of famine will be shot, indicating that there will be famine only in certain places. During the third year there will be a great famine, and men, women, children, the pious, and men of action will die, and the Torah is forgotten by those who study it. During the fourth year there will be plenty but not great plenty. During the fifth year there will be great plenty and they will eat, and drink, and rejoice, and the Torah will return to those who study it. During the sixth year, heavenly voices will be heard. During the Sabbatical Year, wars, e.g., the war of Gog and Magog, will be waged involving the Jewish people. During the year after the conclusion of the Sabbatical Year, the son of David will come.
     
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    Except gog and magog invaded long before the birth of Christ.
     
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    Wandering Monk Well-Known Member

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    Whatever. This thread isn't about Gog and Magog. It is about the confluence of Jewish and Christian thought.

    If you want to talk about Gog and Magog, start your own thread.
     
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    Jesus told his followers to flee to the mountains to avoid the tribulation and they did.
     
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    Not germane to this thread. Time to move along.
     
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    Is the sabbatical year germaine?
     
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    See post 3. 'the confluence of Jewish and Christian thought.' Nothing there about who is right or wrong or your personal interpretation.
     
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    The Sabbatical year is the 7th year that the farmland lies fallow. (rests) Christian farmers followed the same pattern at least up thru the late 1960s and maybe still do.
     
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    For historical reasons:
    I find No 7-yr. interval with the Flood of Noah's day. The end came hard and swift.- Matthew 24:37-39
    I find No 7-yr. interval with the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah. The end came hard and swift.
    I find No 7-yr. interval with the 10th plague happening in Egypt. The end came hard and swift.
    I find No 7-yr. interval with the destruction of un-faithful Jerusalem in the year 70. The end came hard and swift.
    So, the pattern is No 7-yr. interval at the coming ' time of separation ' on Earth of Matthew 25:31-33,37,40.
    Remember it is the ' days ' (Not years) which will be cut short according to Jesus at Matthew 24:22.
    So, genuine ' wheat ' Christianity does Not express any special 7-year interval at Messiah's coming.
     
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    Also, I find it was Constantine who set up 'SUN'day as a day of rest for farmers. ( Not any 'SON'day )
     
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    I wonder where is the ^ above ^ is coming from_________________
    That coalition of nations have Not yet come up or invaded against God's people.
     
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    Gog and Magog were from northern Iran.. AKA Scythians. They invaded Syria and coastal Palestine in 628 BC..

    The "coalition" were foreign troops that fought with Titus in 70 AD.. from Egypt and Syria which were part of the Roman Empire. So Syrians, Egyptians and Arabs fought with the Romans against Israel.

    In the Preterist view, the Tribulation took place in the past when Roman legions destroyed Jerusalem and its temple in AD 70 during the end stages of the First Jewish–Roman War, and it only affected the Jewish people rather than all mankind.
     
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    Some do; save your judgments for another thread.
     
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    Not the subject of this thread. See posts 3 and 7
     
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    First century Roman Empire so you can see where the "coalition" of foreign troops that fought with the Roman troops against Israel came from.

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    Yes, the ' minor ' tribulation of Matthew 24:22 took place in the year 70, but the 'MAJOR' great tribulation of Revelation 7:14,9 is ahead of us. - Ezekiel 38:2; Ezekiel 38:10-13
    It is Not until the end of the 1,000 years, the millennium-long day of Jesus governing over Earth, that God and Magog are destroyed. - Revelation 20:8-9 is still ahead of us. Revelation was written ' after ' the year 70 for our day.
     
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    Post # 13 was Not about making judgements, but reporting what we can learn from what is in the Bible.
     
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    Do your research on the prophets. There was NO Daniel and Isaiah was written by king Hezekiah of Judah.

    Ezekiel has the broad three-fold structure found in a number of the prophetic books: oracles of woe against the prophet's own people, followed by oracles against Israel's neighbours, ending in prophecies of hope and salvation:

    • Prophecies against Judah and Jerusalem, chapters 1–24
    • Prophecies against the foreign nations, chapters 25–32
    • Prophecies of hope and salvation, chapters 33–48
    Book of Ezekiel - Wikipedia
     
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    Did you say this or not? You are making an obvious allusion to wheat and tares parable of Jesus, the tares being false disciples.

     
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