The Anointed
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The Covenant box which was kept in the holy of holies Of God' s temporary tent (The body of mankind) is transferred to the glorious Temple (The glorious body of Light=The Son of Man.)
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Why didn't Abraham or his ancestors have a covenant box too, and is that because the ten commandments etc are just man-made?The Covenant box which was kept in the holy of holies Of God' s temporary tent (The body of mankind) is transferred to the glorious Temple (The glorious body of Light=The Son of Man.)
From my research, the "Son of Man" label is pejorative.The Covenant box which was kept in the holy of holies Of God' s temporary tent (The body of mankind) is transferred to the glorious Temple (The glorious body of Light=The Son of Man.)
So is this content from the link:From my research, the "Son of Man" label is pejorative.
Quote from - Ark of the Covenant - WikipediaThe Covenant box which was kept in the holy of holies Of God' s temporary tent (The body of mankind) is transferred to the glorious Temple (The glorious body of Light=The Son of Man.)
Well the Iraelis were certainly killed in high numbers in the war against the Philistines, so maybe they weren´t autorized to take the box to war at all.Didn't god told the Levitates to keep the box hidden and anyone who wasn't given authority was literally killed on the spot if going near the box?
No, it is because He figured there would be enough friction, unbelief, doubt and anger with just one set of commandments let alone two.Why didn't Abraham or his ancestors have a covenant box too, and is that because the ten commandments etc are just man-made?
In other words the ten commandments etc are just man made since they didn't apply to Abraham et al and their ancestors, even if you believe that Abraham figured there would be enough friction, unbelief, doubt and anger with just one set of commandments let alone two.No, it is because He figured there would be enough friction, unbelief, doubt and anger with just one set of commandments let alone two.
I don't think I said that.In other words the ten commandments etc are just man made since they didn't apply to Abraham et al, and their ancestors, even if you believe that Abraham figured there would be enough friction, unbelief, doubt and anger with just one set of commandments let alone two.
Which is why the ten commandments etc are just man-made since they didn't apply to Abraham et al, nor to our aborigines who arrived here over 50,000 years ago. And why it wasn't morally wrong for Abraham to kill his son as a blood sacrifice, or for Cain(an) to kill his brother Abel, or for Abraham to have a sexual relationship with his sister Sarah and commit adultery with Hagar.Abraham was for the world (and Israel)
Moses was for the Jewish nation (and to laser beam the reality of the coming Messiah) IMU
The logic doesn't quite work.Which is why the ten commandments etc are just man-made since they didn't apply to Abraham et al, nor to our aborigines who arrived here over 50,000 years ago. And why it wasn't morally wrong for Abraham to kill his son as a blood sacrifice, or for Cain(an) to kill his brother Abel, or for Abraham to have a sexual relationship with his sister Sarah and commit adultery with Hagar.
None of that changes the fact that the ten commandments etc are obviously just man-made.The logic doesn't quite work.
Abraham opened the door for all nations. That, as you noted, though mistakes after mistakes are made by Abraham, it didn't change the love of God for mankind including the aborigines. Forgiveness was freely given. It wasn't a work based covenant but a love base where mercy rejoices over judgement.
If God forgave Abraham, then there is hope for you and me with all the mistakes we make (knowingly or unknowingly),
With Moses, the Messiah's requirements began to be in a smaller and smaller box so that you and I would know it is God that is doing it.
Things like:
There was more to Moses, but what I am sharing is part of it.
- Must be born in Bethlehem
- Must be called a Nazarene
- Must come out of Egypt
- Must be crucified
- etc etc etc so that mathematically, it is impossible to have another person fit the bill
None of that changes the fact that the ten commandments etc are obviously just man-made.
And where did Moses say anything about a messiah which had to be a Nazarene who was born in Jerusalem and had to be executed by the Romans for sedition and claiming to be the Jewish king?
Unless a god has a face to face conversation with me like Abraham did with a god (Gen 18) and explains why it didn't give the ten commandments to Abraham's ancestors then I have no reason to believe that the ten commandments etc are not just man-made.You still haven't made a case that it is "obviously just man-made" other than offering a personal opinion.
In other words you can't show us where Moses said anything about a messiah which had to be a Nazarene who was born in Jerusalem and had to be executed by the Romans for sedition and claiming to be the Jewish king.Forgive my error as your question would be correct, now that I reread what I wrote.
It should have said "Starting with Moses".
That is not to say, however, that Moses didn't play a part of it in the Christian understanding:
Luke 24:44
And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
The whole of the sacrificing of the Lamb instituted on the day of deliverance by God through Moses was all about a type and shadow of Jesus and the last few days of His life.
Unless a god has a face to face conversation with me like Abraham did with a god (Gen 18) about why it didn't give the ten commandments to Abraham's ancestors then I have no reason to believe that the ten commandments etc are not just man-made.
In other words you can't show us where Moses said anything about a messiah which had to be a Nazarene who was born in Jerusalem and had to be executed by the Romans for sedition and claiming to be the Jewish king.
And besides, Psalm 2:6-7 says that David was a king who was his god's begotten son, which is why the NT writers plagiarised Psalm 2:7 and tried to link Jesus to David through the genealogies for his adoptive father (Matt 1) and his biological father (Luke 3).
But have you ever had a face to face conversation with a god like Abraham did when they shared a non-kosher meal together (Gen 18)? If not, then how do you know that the biblical stories are true and not just imaginative words in a book?OK, no problem there if you so choose.... but that would be like me saying "Unless I see the beaches of Hawaii, I won't believe there is such a state or that the beaches of Hawaii exist". IMV.
Have you ever asked God to speak to you personally (assuming you really want to know God)?
I approached it differently as I said to myself, "Either the Bible is true or false, I'll begin by believing it is true and then I'll test the sucker" (Yes, I called the Bible - sucker) among two other thoughts.
Well, I still am hooked.
Wrong. Moses never said anything about a messiah who was a Nazarene born in Jerusalem and who was executed for sedition.Again, unless you didn't see where I asked forgiveness, I rephrased it starting from Moses. The prophets continued with the other statements such as where and how.
As far as Moses and the sacrificing of the Lamb, additional areas:
Moses prophesied the Messiah
Nonsense. Where does Psalm 2:6-7 say anything about Jesus, given that it is written in the first person and in the past and present tense, and not in the third person and the future tense, and is obviously about David?Yes, Psalms 2:6-7 refers to Jesus and not David. And they didn't try, they stated it.
But have you ever had a face to face conversation with a god like Abraham did when they shared a non-kosher meal together (Gen 18)? If not, then how do you know that the biblical stories are true and not just imaginative words in a book?
Wrong. Moses never said anything about a messiah who was a Nazarene born in Jerusalem and who was executed for sedition.
Nonsense. Where does Psalm 2:6-7 say anything about Jesus, given that it is written in the first person and in the past and present tense, and not in the third person and the future tense, and is obviously about David?
If you believe otherwise, then what is your evidence that Jesus wrote Psalm 2:6-7? And have you ever discussed your claim that Jesus wrote Psalm 2:6-7 with a rabbi?