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Featured The temple----Covenant box.

Discussion in 'Interfaith Discussion' started by The Anointed, Aug 3, 2020.

  1. The Anointed

    The Anointed Well-Known Member

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    The Covenant box which was kept in the holy of holies Of God' s temporary tent (The body of mankind) is transferred to the glorious Temple (The glorious body of Light=The Son of Man.)
     
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    Why didn't Abraham or his ancestors have a covenant box too, and is that because the ten commandments etc are just man-made?
     
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    From my research, the "Son of Man" label is pejorative.


    Son of man - Wikipedia
     
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    Would you say, of 'Mankind,' who had developed within the bodies of their animal ancestors, that the 'Mankind' label is also Pejorative. Or would you say that mankind, who currently stands on the top rung of the ladder of evolution, is 'The Lord of Creatures, and the Most High within the creation,' (Which creation is the LOGOS Made manifest) and that 'The Son of Man,' who develops within the body of Mankind, is the next stage in the book of the evolution, of which, mankind is not the final page?

    All have sinned and all must die ONCE and pay the blood price for the sins of the flesh in which they, the repentant minds that had developed within those bodies had made while in the flesh. Thank God the MOST HIGH in the creation for his son, who is born of the expanded and pregnant androgynous body of Eve, whose son has paid the blood price for the body in which he 'The Son of Man' develops.

    Psalms 51: 5; The developing spirit in man cries out; "Behold, I was shapen in iniquity, and in sin did my mother conceive me. The Son of Eve, who crushes the head of Satan.

    And now my friends, come soar with me to the outer limits of reality
    This universe though wide it seems is but the shadow of our dreams
    We are naught but knowledge in these tents refined through pain and punishment
    We’re the hive of man and ‘neath his rod, we are one, we’re the ‘Son of God.’

    The past, the present, the future is He, He was, He is, and He will be
    And heaven is but a point in time to where the spirit in man must climb
    Eventually, when he’s there at last and stands and gazes on his past
    And take his throne prepared in heaven, then all His past will be forgiven

    I am ‘who I am,’ the die is cast, for I was created by my past
    And we who we are this very day determines his future in everyway
    If my past were changed then who would I be?
    One thing is certain, I wouldn’t be Me……… The Anointed.
     
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  5. sun rise

    sun rise "This is the Hour of God"
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    Your Wikipedia reference does not support your claim that "Son of Man" is pejorative.
     
  6. Native

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    So is this content from the link:
    "Daniel 7 tells of a vision given to Daniel in which four "beasts," representing pagan nations, oppress the people of Israel until judged by God".
    These "four beasts" simply represents four cosmological symbols of creation - but as usual such natural symbols are just taken dualistic in the Hebrew religion and used in order to underline a false supremicy over all other religions.
     
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    Quote from - Ark of the Covenant - Wikipedia
    “According to the Biblical narrative, a few years later the elders of Israel decided to take the Ark out onto the battlefield to assist them against the Philistines, after being defeated at the battle of Eben-Ezer. They were heavily defeated with the loss of 30,000 men”.
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    Apparently this ”box of war” didn´t help “the elders of Israel” – maybe because their God didn´t like wars ín “his” name . . .
     
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    Didn't god told the Levitates to keep the box hidden and anyone who wasn't given authority was literally killed on the spot if going near the box?
     
  9. Native

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    Well the Iraelis were certainly killed in high numbers in the war against the Philistines, so maybe they weren´t autorized to take the box to war at all.
     
  10. KenS

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    No, it is because He figured there would be enough friction, unbelief, doubt and anger with just one set of commandments let alone two.
     
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    In other words the ten commandments etc are just man made since they didn't apply to Abraham et al and their ancestors, even if you believe that Abraham figured there would be enough friction, unbelief, doubt and anger with just one set of commandments let alone two.
     
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    I don't think I said that.

    Can you quote me where I said that?

    Abraham was for the world (and Israel)
    Moses was for the Jewish nation (and to laser beam the reality of the coming Messiah) IMU
     
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    Which is why the ten commandments etc are just man-made since they didn't apply to Abraham et al, nor to our aborigines who arrived here over 50,000 years ago. And why it wasn't morally wrong for Abraham to kill his son as a blood sacrifice, or for Cain(an) to kill his brother Abel, or for Abraham to have a sexual relationship with his sister Sarah and commit adultery with Hagar.
     
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    The logic doesn't quite work.

    Abraham opened the door for all nations. That, as you noted, though mistakes after mistakes are made by Abraham, it didn't change the love of God for mankind including the aborigines. Forgiveness was freely given. It wasn't a work based covenant but a love base where mercy rejoices over judgement.

    If God forgave Abraham, then there is hope for you and me with all the mistakes we make (knowingly or unknowingly),

    With Moses, the Messiah's requirements began to be in a smaller and smaller box so that you and I would know it is God that is doing it.

    Things like:
    1. Must be born in Bethlehem
    2. Must be called a Nazarene
    3. Must come out of Egypt
    4. Must be crucified
    5. etc etc etc so that mathematically, it is impossible to have another person fit the bill
    There was more to Moses, but what I am sharing is part of it.
     
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    None of that changes the fact that the ten commandments etc are obviously just man-made.

    And where does the bible say that it was morally wrong for Abraham to have a sexual relationship with his sister Sarah and commit adultery with Hagar.

    And where does the bible say that it was morally wrong for Cain(an) to kill his brother Abel, given that his god even protected him from retribution when he relocated to the Land of Nod and lived happily ever after with one or more Nod girls?

    And where did Moses say anything about a messiah which had to be a Nazarene who was born in Jerusalem and had to be executed by the Romans for sedition and claiming to be the Jewish king?
     
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    You still haven't made a case that it is "obviously just man-made" other than offering a personal opinion. (Of course, you could say that my position is an opinion too, drawn from the Pentateuch.)

    Forgive my error as your question would be correct, now that I reread what I wrote.

    It should have said "Starting with Moses".

    That is not to say, however, that Moses didn't play a part of it in the Christian understanding:

    Luke 24:44
    And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

    The whole of the sacrificing of the Lamb instituted on the day of deliverance by God through Moses was all about a type and shadow of Jesus and the last few days of His life.
     
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    Unless a god has a face to face conversation with me like Abraham did with a god (Gen 18) and explains why it didn't give the ten commandments to Abraham's ancestors then I have no reason to believe that the ten commandments etc are not just man-made.

    In other words you can't show us where Moses said anything about a messiah which had to be a Nazarene who was born in Jerusalem and had to be executed by the Romans for sedition and claiming to be the Jewish king.

    And besides, Psalm 2:6-7 says that David was a king who was his god's begotten son, which is why the NT writers plagiarised Psalm 2:7 and tried to link Jesus to David through the genealogies for his adoptive father (Matt 1) and his biological father (Luke 3).
     
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    OK, no problem there if you so choose.... but that would be like me saying "Unless I see the beaches of Hawaii, I won't believe there is such a state or that the beaches of Hawaii exist". IMV.

    Have you ever asked God to speak to you personally (assuming you really want to know God)?

    I approached it differently as I said to myself, "Either the Bible is true or false, I'll begin by believing it is true and then I'll test the sucker" (Yes, I called the Bible - sucker) among two other thoughts.

    Well, I still am hooked.

    Again, unless you didn't see where I asked forgiveness, I rephrased it starting from Moses. The prophets continued with the other statements such as where and how.

    As far as Moses and the sacrificing of the Lamb, additional areas:

    Moses prophesied the Messiah

    Yes, Psalms 2:6-7 refers to Jesus and not David. And they didn't try, they stated it.
     
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    But have you ever had a face to face conversation with a god like Abraham did when they shared a non-kosher meal together (Gen 18)? If not, then how do you know that the biblical stories are true and not just imaginative words in a book?



    Wrong. Moses never said anything about a messiah who was a Nazarene born in Jerusalem and who was executed for sedition.

    Nonsense. Where does Psalm 2:6-7 say anything about Jesus, given that it is written in the first person and in the past and present tense, and not in the third person and the future tense, and is obviously about David?

    If you believe otherwise, then what is your evidence that Jesus wrote Psalm 2:6-7? And have you ever discussed your claim that Jesus wrote Psalm 2:6-7 with a rabbi?
     
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    How do you know that the stories about the American Revolution are true? How do you know the stories about the Ottoman Empire are true? How do you know the Catholic Inquisition is true?

    Should we assume they are imaginative words on paper?

    Then you haven't read what I said.

    By simple deduction:

    6 Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.
    7 I will declare the decree: the Lord hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.
    8 Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.

    When did David ever ask for the "uttermosts parts of the earth"? When did he ask for the "heathen for thine inheritance". When did God ever say to Jesus "Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee"?

    Yet Jesus has and will complete it all.
     
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