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The Science of Human Evolution

Darkstorn

This shows how unique i am.
That's because the Celestial man is not of this world nor is he an ape like man.

But the Terrestrial man is of this world, but he is not an ape like man either.

Now as for the Celestial man, he was there with the dinosaurs. And before the dinosaurs came into existence.

This isn't a thread about peoples' opinions. You are literally pitting a guess against all evidence. Your nonsensical story where ape-men suddenly turned into "celestial men" when you found out that the time lines don't match with reality.

Why do you expect us to take a half-redacted half-changed guess seriously?

Where is your evidence for "celestial men?" And why did ape-men become celestial all the sudden?
 

Faithofchristian

Well-Known Member
This isn't a thread about peoples' opinions. You are literally pitting a guess against all evidence. Your nonsensical story where ape-men suddenly turned into "celestial men" when you found out that the time lines don't match with reality.

Why do you expect us to take a half-redacted half-changed guess seriously?

Where is your evidence for "celestial men?" And why did ape-men become celestial all the sudden?

The Celestial man was never an ape man,
And I never said he was, are you not listing.
 

Darkstorn

This shows how unique i am.
The Celestial man was never an ape man,
And I never said he was, are you not listing.

I am listening. You were talking about ape-like men first, living with the dinosaurs 6.5 million years ago. Then you changed the story to celestial men living with the dinosaurs when you realized your entire theory was based on fatally incorrect timelines.

Poof, some mental gymnastics later, with the story entirely changed, you are still using it to support your original point: That men lived with dinosaurs.

But your two stories are contradictory. They can't both support the same argument, and worse yet, one of them has been explicitly rejected as blatantly false, and the other remains in your imagination.

All WE know of these supposed "celestial men" comes from you. And you provide nothing except that they exist. So they still remain in your imagination. You have not supported their existence in any way nor have you even bothered to explain what the hell they are to begin with.

They might be a convenient hand wave for you but to the external world it's just inane and worthy of a few laughs.

The ONLY reason i'm still replying to you is that it's moderately entertaining. But I don't take anything you say seriously. Poe.
 

Audie

Veteran Member
Speaking as a "Celestial" I find it objectionable to suggest I do not exist
and that Celestials are necessarily "he". :D

As for dinosaurs- that is getting really silly!
We've been around for ages, but the Mesozoic?
 
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Polymath257

Think & Care
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Premium Member
For your information the Celestial man is not human man of flesh and blood., That can not die.

But the Terrestrial man is the human man of flesh and blood that will die.

So the Celestial Man is a myth someone invented. OK, so why should we believe this myth?
 

Faithofchristian

Well-Known Member
Hmmm...I go to science because it has established procedures for discovering mistakes and has a proven track record.

I do not go to the Bible because it lacks both.

That's right, you don't go to the bible. But you go to science for your answers.

But as a Christian I do go to the bible for my answers.
 

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
That's right, you don't go to the bible. But you go to science for your answers.

But as a Christian I do go to the bible for my answers.
But you must realize the bible is not a reliable source of information. It's info isn't based on research, it's not tested, it's not peer reviewed, it's not falsifiable.
Science is a research modality with a proven track record.
 

Faithofchristian

Well-Known Member
But you must realize the bible is not a reliable source of information. It's info isn't based on research, it's not tested, it's not peer reviewed, it's not falsifiable.
Science is a research modality with a proven track record.


That's what you say, but for Christians the bible is a reliable source of information.

But for Christians the bible is base on research by researching scriptures to scriptures. And is tested by scriptures to scriptures. That's why it's Written in the bible, precept upon precept and line upon line.
The bible also has a proven track record to Christians.
 

Darkstorn

This shows how unique i am.
That's what you say, but for Christians the bible is a reliable source of information.

But for Christians the bible is base on research by researching scriptures to scriptures. And is tested by scriptures to scriptures. That's why it's Written in the bible, precept upon precept and line upon line.
The bible also has a proven track record to Christians.

Your other thread has the opposite argument:

One fact to Refute evolution.

For those who believe in the theory of evolution.
Why did evolution have to be tested, to know whether it's true or not.

To test something, that means it's not true, until it's tested to show it's true.

This why Christians don't have to test the bible all because Christians already know the Bible is true

Where as evolution had to be tested, to find if it's true or not true.

That's like going to take a test, you take a test to show if your qualified or not.

Therefore to test the theory of evolution, is to see if it's qualified or not.

That means evolution wasn't qualified, from the start.until it took the test.

Where as the bible did not have to take any test to be qualified, The bible was qualified right from the start.

Even if the Bible would be reliable, you have shown that you are not...
 

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
That's what you say, but for Christians the bible is a reliable source of information.

But for Christians the bible is base on research by researching scriptures to scriptures. And is tested by scriptures to scriptures. That's why it's Written in the bible, precept upon precept and line upon line.
The bible also has a proven track record to Christians.
No. "Reliable" isn't subjective. Different groups can't have different truths. If you're not seeking objective truth you're not seeking truth.
 

Darkstorn

This shows how unique i am.
My seeking truth is the bible.

What are you doing in this thread then? Serious question. At first you seemed to be going on about men living with dinosaurs.

Now you just keep going off about believing in the bible. Sure, go ahead, believe in the bible. But seriously, this has nothing to do with this topic. This is a scientific thread and every time you post it seems like you're in the wrong thread.
 

Polymath257

Think & Care
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Premium Member
That's what you say, but for Christians the bible is a reliable source of information.

But for Christians the bible is base on research by researching scriptures to scriptures. And is tested by scriptures to scriptures. That's why it's Written in the bible, precept upon precept and line upon line.
The bible also has a proven track record to Christians.

Which is fine if you don't care if the real world is consistent with scripture. Which it isn't. For me, the test of an ideas is NOT scripture, but whether it agrees with what is seen in the real world, through observation. In that, the Bible fails.

You have a choice between the Bible or the universe. We know the Bible was written by men. We know the universe was not. Which do you choose for truth?
 

Faithofchristian

Well-Known Member
My seeking truth is the bible.
Which is fine if you don't care if the real world is consistent with scripture. Which it isn't. For me, the test of an ideas is NOT scripture, but whether it agrees with what is seen in the real world, through observation. In that, the Bible fails.

You have a choice between the Bible or the universe. We know the Bible was written by men. We know the universe was not. Which do you choose for truth?

That all depends
Which is fine if you don't care if the real world is consistent with scripture. Which it isn't. For me, the test of an ideas is NOT scripture, but whether it agrees with what is seen in the real world, through observation. In that, the Bible fails.

You have a choice between the Bible or the universe. We know the Bible was written by men. We know the universe was not. Which do you choose for truth?

Just because your set of ideas do not line up to the scriptures doesn't mean the Bible fails.
It just means, that you have no knowledge or understanding, of what the Bible does say and confirms.

Ok, so I have a choice between the Bible or the universe.
Ok, we know the Bible was written by men.
Here shows your lack of knowledge and understanding of the Bible.

Can you explain in the simplest terms, just who those men were?
And how they came to be here in this world?

"We know the universe was not written by men"-- Well you got that one right.
Seeing how men wasn't around at that time.so you would be right about that one.

Seeing your lack of knowledge and understanding what the Bible actually does say and confirm''.

In the bible does tells how the universe came to be.
That how God taken something out of nothing and made the Universe, Earth, Sun, Moon and Stars.

But in your lack of knowledge and understanding, That goes beyond your comprehension to conceive, as to how something can come from nothing.

But then God is not bound by our set of rules or ideas, of how things came to be. As you may think God is.

Which do I choose for truth?

Seeing how out of everything that you gave here, and you got one right.

If you were given a test, of about 6 questions, and you only got one right out of the 6, you would definitely fail the test.

What do you think I would choose for truth, But the bible.
 
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Polymath257

Think & Care
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Premium Member
That all depends


Just because your set of ideas do not line up to the scriptures doesn't mean the Bible fails.
It just means, that you have no knowledge or understanding, of what the Bible does say and confirms.

Ok, so I have a choice between the Bible or the universe.
Ok, we know the Bible was written by men.
Here shows your lack of knowledge and understanding of the Bible.

Can you explain in the simplest terms, just who those men were?
And how they came to be here in this world?

Well, most of them were priests of a particular religious sect in a specific location on Earth. They came to exist as all of us do: they were born.

"We know the universe was not written by men"-- Well you got that one right.
Seeing how men wasn't around at that time.so you would be right about that one.

Seeing your lack of knowledge and understanding what the Bible actually does say and confirm''.

In the bible does tells how the universe came to be.
That how God taken something out of nothing and made the Universe, Earth, Sun, Moon and Stars.

Except that its statements about these are contradicted by the universe. Of the two, I trust the universe more than the texts of the Bible.

But in your lack of knowledge and understanding, That goes beyond your comprehension to conceive, as to how something can come from nothing.

But according to *your* story, it didn't come from nothing. it came from God. And don't try to tell me what I find incomprehensible.

But then God is not bound by our set of rules or ideas, of how things came to be. As you may think God is.

Which do I choose for truth?

Seeing how out of everything that you gave here, and you got one right.

If you were given a test, of about 6 questions, and you only got one right out of the 6, you would definitely fail the test.

What do you think I would choose for truth, But the bible.

So you avoid the central question. When there is a conflict between the Bible and the universe, which do you choose to believe?
 
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