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Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Remté, Feb 8, 2019.

  1. youknowme

    youknowme Whatever you want me to be.

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    Ya, I don't need "spirituality" or any other proxy you wish to use. You are still trying to necessitate a certain kind of connotation with the term spirituality, that simply does not apply to everyone.
     
  2. Unveiled Artist

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    Another word, since English only has but so many words to define how someone lives and why, I don't know. What would you call in one or two words the act of living your morals, your purpose (if you have one), taking care of self and others, and just finding your sense of self?

    I'm native in English but some concepts aren't fully described in English so if you look at the context, spirituality wouldn't have such a negative context.

    Kind of like saying "B/tc" is a bad word as a whole, but it is only bad when used in a negative context. To extend it, a word isn't bad in itself.
     
  3. Willamena

    Willamena Just me
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    You misheard, then. I'd choose the religion that falls in line with my beliefs.
     
  4. youknowme

    youknowme Whatever you want me to be.

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    I think you are trying too hard to lump everyone under one term, that is not a realistic approach.
     
  5. youknowme

    youknowme Whatever you want me to be.

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    Uh huh. . .
     
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    That sense of 'spirituality', on the 'psychology' side of the broad definition, doesn't require a religion at all.
     
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  7. Unveiled Artist

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    I actually don't know if any humans don't want to better themselves in any sense of the term. Our natural psychological and physiological well-being whether chosen or not is set for survival until one dies. Making it religious (or however you call it) is a human thing. Outside that, the only people I'd guess who struggle with living are those who have severe depression or like condition that prevents them from taking care of themselves. Even animals have that ability to want to take care of themselves and children.

    Each culture has their own views, though. I'm from the U.S. we're still trying to find our sense of self outside of working two full time jobs or struggling to find jobs or whatever situation each of us may be in.
     
  8. Unveiled Artist

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    Nope. Some people like structure others do not. I just think religion has a negative connotation. Many people are religious in the general sense of the term. I do understand why people don't want to use the term. I wasn't raised religious so I don't have that view just what I read in the dictionary and experience myself. Like any abstract or complex word, it's by context.
     
  9. youknowme

    youknowme Whatever you want me to be.

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    From what I have seen "spirituality" does not always mean "bettering oneself" and in many cases it actually seems to do the reverse.
     
  10. jfietsam

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    Absolutely not, if you can't tell, Deeje and I have been having a civil disagreement towards beliefs, but I'm going to his people to see if I can learn more about the book I believe in. The difference is that each of us brings grounds for our arguments whereas I'm just seeing a combative attitude with no real content. I am asking you to show us what you have found that we have not. I'm here seeking truth, so if you want to help point me in the right direction, then please help me out my friend. I read your other posts, and I still don't know what you believe in. I only know what you don't believe in. I get it in a sense though, because I'm not a fan of most Christians. They have terrorized this world in every sense of the way, and they're all pots calling the kettles black. They say the Germans are evil for doing to the Jews what we did to the Native Americans. Then they call the Muslims bad for treating them the same in their countries. No one even talks about what we did to the Japanese in WWII. Now the Chinese are harassing the Muslims, but no one cares. No one cares about the Muslims in China, but they care about this one journalist who was killed by the leaders of one of Trump's allies. It's all about what suits their needs best at the time it seems. At the same time, we are not Christians and do not like this sort of behavior either, so why take your anger out on us?

    I'm going to hit two points here, and then maybe I'll do a Bible study with someone. To me, Jesus was someone who lived a moral life as a good person. If I had to guess a character in the Bible, my money is on King Solomon all day. He was definitely sent down by God, and the New Covenant was undoubtedly a thing until at least 2008 or 2012. Now if it really went away, I don't know, but in 2008 I stopped attending church, and I met a new God at that time in my life. I haven't been able to find the other one who used to rule over my life. I also feel that over the last 10 years, there has been a steady societal decline like none our American ancestors have seen.

    I know Jesus went to teach at synagogues, but there also seemed to be other crowds around that don't specify who he was talking to. A part of me felt the Gentiles referred to the pagans(Ishmaelites) mores than simply those who were not Jewish, but I'm not really too sure. To me, Paul was the only person claiming to be Jewish in the New Testament. I really wish I could have been there to understand better.

    I'm glad you suggest an elder, because I didn't know you guys had any. I'll probably attend and ask for one. That's a good idea. I imagine some new member trying to help me, and it being a very frustrating process for both of us.
     
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  11. Unveiled Artist

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    Spirituality is a broad term and needs to be used in context. You've never heard of spirituality used in a positive or neutral way?

    The only words in English I can think could be considered as specifically negative is N/ but, then, that depends on context. It wasn't considered bad to one group of people but it did for another. Now, it's a bad word all around. Think of the word Negro. In America, that was used to describe black people but go in Spanish countries, it just means the color black.

    Spirituality has negative connotations. Those connotations do not define the word itself. I wasn't raised religious, so I don't have negative views of spirituality and religion. Words like homosexual, I do but that's based on experience. It's not bad in itself.
     
  12. youknowme

    youknowme Whatever you want me to be.

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    Please make separate posts for different people.

    I don't care if people are Christians, but I think anyone that boast they have the one and only truth are full of themselves and insanely egoistical to boot. This idea that there is only one true God and one true religion is the greatest cancer in religion and it led to some of the darkest corners in human history.

     
  13. youknowme

    youknowme Whatever you want me to be.

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    Sorry, that I don't fit into the context that you want.
     
  14. jfietsam

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    Will you please clarify who is boasting and what you mean exactly from true God onward. Grammar typically helps with points like this one. Who says we've found the true religion anyways? Maybe that's why we're on here? Maybe some of us are tired of waiting for Jesus to come riding a cloud around answering all our questions...
     
  15. Shadow Wolf

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    As for translations, there is currently a thread where I am insisting that "unicorn" is a poor translation from the original Hebrew re'em.
    As for the schisms, do you need us to point anything out for you?
     
  16. Unveiled Artist

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    What do you value and what makes you want to continue living?

    Forget religion, spirituality, gods, etc. If it's too personal, let me know.
     
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    That's not really spirituality though. Some would call it self-actualization. Some would call it an examined life. Some would say it's self-ownership.
    No need to attach spiritual connotations to it unless it's what someone follows. For those without any religious/spiritual/supernatural/metaphysical believes, there is just no reason to call it spirituality.
     
  18. youknowme

    youknowme Whatever you want me to be.

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    I thought you were reading @Deeje's replies. Are you not? Also I have no idea what you mean by, "what you mean exactly from true God onward."

     
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  19. jfietsam

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    Well I'm with you that no translation is perfect. I've read two translations of the Bible, and I keep a Tanakh handy as well. Jehovah's Witnesses actually have an app with multiple translations of the Bible, so when they get stuck on a verse, they can read what other translations say to get a better idea. You don't need to believe what we believe or in anything at all, and guess what? No one cares as far as I see it. I don't know you, so if you want to deny God's existence, then cool, go ahead and disbelieve all you want. So your only point in sharing is to let us know your opinion on the translation of unicorn? Why didn't you just say that to begin with? You would look like a much nicer person, and you may have actually gotten some help from someone.
     
  20. jfietsam

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    From that point in your original post I quoted, it would be considered a run-on sentence with no punctuation to help me better understand what you're expressing. So to be exact for you, I was talking about this statement "one true God and one true religion is the greatest cancer in religion and it led to some of the darkest corners in human history." I did not understand it.

    I am obviously reading his replies, and I saw that. I believe in one true God as well, and I'm trying to learn what exactly that means. @Deeje was trying to teach me what that means to him and his brothers and sisters. I have not said I have all the answers, and in fact, I am seeking more answers. I understand why people of various religions don't allow just anyone to influence their beliefs though, because there are plenty of people who want nothing more than to lead others astray which I simply don't understand. Where is the gain at someone else's loss? Does it make these people feel better about themselves or something? I don't know, usually I just feel shame towards myself and don't know why when I behave so poorly. Previous experience shows that I learn from mistakes like those though.
     
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