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The radical regressive left is ruining the democrats

Discussion in 'General Debates' started by serp777, Apr 8, 2019.

  1. serp777

    serp777 Well-Known Member

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    The radical regressive left, most exemplified by Alexandria Ocasio Cortez, has been supremely damaging for the democratic party. The amount of division she has sown is really hurting the democrats for the next election.

    Where did all of these super far left democrats come from? What happened to the days when we just had a mainly center left party? Its almost like there are two democrat parties now.

    What's it going to take for the democrats to move past this tunnel vision obsession with race, feminism, LGBT rights, and social justice? I feel like we have already removed most legal obstacles based on race, gender, etc, . I really want to know why people are really getting hysterical about this stuff.

    If the democrats could just focus on important issues like improving education, repairing infrastructure, implementing carbon free nuclear power, expanding science and nasa funding, fixing social security and medicare funding, and maybe even trying to reduce the deficit, then I think they would attract a lot more people from the center.

    We really need the democrats from the 80's and 90's to come back and right the ship. Identitarian politics seems to be alienating a lot of reasonable people to the right unfortunately. I don't have any citations for that, its just my impression from the news and what i've seen on youtube in addition to the last election.

    Anyways do you guys agree or disagree that the identitarian/regressive left is ruining the democratic party? Are identitatrian politics important or is it all nonsense?
     
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  2. Altfish

    Altfish Well-Known Member

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    Is this in the joke thread?

    Why do you link 'radical' with 'regressive'? You are skewing the question, most of AOC's supporters would say she is radical (agreed) and PROGRESSIVE.
     
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  3. Nowhere Man

    Nowhere Man Bompu Zen Man with a little bit of Bushido.

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    She's a pure socialist and a member of the Democratic Socialists of America and as 'progressive' as Lenin or Stalin would be as far as I'm concerned.

    https://www.vox.com/policy-and-poli...ocasio-cortez-democratic-socialist-of-america
     
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    Maybe what America missing is a political party in the middle? Not Democrates or Republican, but something that is not far Right (republicans) or far left ( democrates)?
     
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    I would say that currently you have a far right party (The GOP) and a right wing party (The Dems); you have nothing that vaguely hits at being left of centre,
     
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  7. Valjean

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    LOL -- the Democrats have never been as regimented as the right. We think for ourselves and challenge authority.

    There are no "super far left" Democrats. You've been watching too much Fox news. The division has largely been stirred up by the GOP.

    When were these "center left" days? Both parties have been moving steadily to the right for some time now. Much of Nixon and Reagan's politics would be considered far left today.
    Our tunnel vision is focused on human rights, fairness, equality and prosperity. It's this tunnel vision that freed the slaves, gave women the vote, ended child labor and racial segregation, built our highway system and infrastructure, gave us the eight hour day, Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Public education, AFDC, clean air, water, food, drugs, &c.
    Need I remind you that both moderates and conservatives fought all these "far left, socialist" policies tooth and nail? They're doing the same today.
    But these are exactly the issues we are focusing on! -- perhaps minus the nuclear option. It's the Republicans who seek to maintain the status quo and overturn popular social programs, its they who spend like drunken sailors and run up deficits.
    The '80s and '90s saw increasing debt, stagnant wages and increasing income inequality. It was a trickle up economy.
    Maybe we need to revisit the policies that curbed the rapacious banks and industrialists that led to the Great Depression; the policies that produced America's golden age of growth and prosperity.
    Oh, wait -- that would be the "super far left"...
    Please clarify what policies you have issue with. I'm not seeing a regressive left. I'm seeing a resurgence of Roosevelt's politics; the policies that Made America Great.
     
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  8. Valjean

    Valjean Veteran Member
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    What middle? The middle's constantly moving.
    Maybe we should pick a political platform with a history of positive results.
     
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    People have ideas that don't fit a one or two party system. In countries with a lot of parties, splits happen even here. The far right will find their place in the Republicans and the far left in the Democrats. Even authoritarians will find place in both...
     
  10. Enoch07

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    You hit the nail on the head. Letting the Identitarians control the party is slowly killing it.

    Here is a prime example.

    Opinion | Mayor Pete Is Plenty Gay

    Apparently being gay isn't diverse enough for Identitarians. And a woman in consideration isn't black enough apparently either.
     
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  11. 9-10ths_Penguin

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    Two things immediately come to mind:

    - AOC isn't the "radical far left;" she's center-left. The Democratic establishment is center-right.

    - you seem upset that elected officials would try to make things better for the people they represent. Isn't that what elected representatives are supposed to do?
     
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    Democrats aren't far left.

    Here are the candidates from the primaries for the 2016 election. Red is Republican, blue is Democrat.

    [​IMG]
    Bernie Sanders, the guy many people called a socialist, was a solid centrist.

    US politics is just heavily skewed to the right.
     
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  13. Jumi

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    Interesting for a country that nominally values freedom to be so strongly for authoritarian politicians. More government, less choice is the answer?
     
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    BSM1 Who's a good boy?

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    You might want to check your facts on that "freed the slaves' thingy. That particular president was a Republican (and he had to do it against the protests of the Democrats in Congress at the time). Also, BTW, it was the Republicans who gave Lyndon Johnson the votes to pass the Civil Rights Act. Again, this was against his own Democrat Congress (i.e., the "Dixiecrats" among others). If you got this one wrong maybe you might be slightly mistaken about your other 'facts'.
     
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    Targeting certain racial groups for social programs based solely on their race and not on their income (as proposed in AOC's so-called "Green New Deal" is in fact regressive and is not supportive of racial equality. The fact that this is even a headline should speak volumes to how much the far left regressives have stopped caring about racial equality and are now starting to support left-wing identitarianism. How Does a Straight White Male Democrat Run for President?
     
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  16. Shiranui117

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    Who made that graphic, using what statistics? According to that graphic, the Republican contenders were farther right than Hitler is normally pegged as being.
     
  17. Enoch07

    Enoch07 It's all a sick freaking joke.
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    Wrong,

    Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Spoke Up For Intersectional Feminism At The Women’s March

    AOC is an intersectional feminist. Intersectional feminist is one of the many forms of Identitarianism. She is not the most radical, but yes she is far left nonetheless, very far removed from the center.
     
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    Politicalcompass.org

    They have plenty of info about their methodology on their web site. For public figures, they infer what the figure would have answered to their survey questions based on public statements, speeches, etc.

    Economically, yes. On the authoritarian/libertarian axis, Hitler is the most extreme person you'll find, except perhaps for Stalin. Economically, though, Hitler was pretty middle-of-the-road, as they explain on their site:

    The Political Compass
     
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    What do you have against intersectionality?

    I woild think that it's obvious that the experience and perspective of, say, a woman of colour would be different from that of a white woman or of a man of colour. Do you disagree?
     
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  20. BSM1

    BSM1 Who's a good boy?

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    Kinda hard for ladies (or anyone) to get any pay if AOC is going to keep running off jobs in her district....just sayin'.
     
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