The political spectrum and its relevance

[Lyndon]

Where are these governments that are not hugely corrupt???

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Nazis persecuted and exterminated communists and socialists, Nazis are far right, you can't rewrite history and claim that they are leftists.

There are leftist strands of NS, such as Strasserism. They took the "socialist" part of National Socialism seriously, but Hitler had them wiped out as he consolidated his power over the NSDAP. He apparently didn't want to upset the status quo too much, at least not yet. Strasserism is still supported by various neo-Nazis.

NS and Fascism in general are more accurately describes as syncretic ideologies. They do not fit neatly in the left/right spectrum.

 

[Lyndon]

Look up any dictionary definition of fascism, it will be called a far right philosophy, you can't rewrite history

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Look up any dictionary definition of fascism, it will be called a far right philosophy, you can't rewrite history

You don't go to dictionaries to learn about political ideologies. You actually have to research them and read the literature. I've read enough literature about fascism, both by scholars and by fascist writers, to know what I'm talking about.

 

[MNoBody]

This is just superficial and silly.

Nobody claims any political system or party is perfect. But if you look at the majority of democracies, you will find examples of both left-leaning and right-leaning parties in power, which are not "gangs", and not hugely corrupt, carrying out their duties in what they see as the best interests of their country.

of course, but in general it has how much success....full steam ahead?? when has that ever happened....been here watching things unfold for more than half a century myself, and i see little to give me any sense of optimism for the future generations..... call that pessimistic, oh well, I do not form such positions just arbitrarily or without cause......which is hard to encapsulate into a knee-jerk text discussion....eh??

 

[MNoBody]

Look up any dictionary definition of fascism, it will be called a far right philosophy, you can't rewrite history

comes from the latin word fascii [or fasces] meaning a bundle of sticks [arrows] banded together which is more powerful than one stick alone.....washington displays them all over in the legislative buildings.

 

[Secret Chief]

comes from the latin word fascii [or fasces] meaning a bundle of sticks [arrows] banded together which is more powerful than one stick alone.....washington displays them all over in the legislative buildings.

And a fascicle is a division of a book. What point are you making?

 

[MNoBody]

And a fascicle is a division of a book. What point are you making?

what point is the government making by their use of this symbolic language?

 

[Secret Chief]

what point is the government making by their use of this symbolic language?

That's what I was asking.

 

[MNoBody]

That's what I was asking.

so, wadda ya think then big fella?
I have no hobby horse theory to promote.
just speculating, posing questions...its how things are solved and clarity attained....right?

 

[exchemist]

of course, but in general it has how much success....full steam ahead?? when has that ever happened....been here watching things unfold for more than half a century myself, and i see little to give me any sense of optimism for the future generations..... call that pessimistic, oh well, I do not form such positions just arbitrarily or without cause......which is hard to encapsulate into a knee-jerk text discussion....eh??

Can you communicate in complete sentences? It would make understanding so much easier.

 

[MNoBody]

Can you communicate in complete sentences? It would make understanding so much easier.

sure i can......however I am now of the mind that it is not really worth the effort, from the observed results...have a nice day m8

 

[SomeRandom]

There are leftist strands of NS, such as Strasserism. They took the "socialist" part of National Socialism seriously, but Hitler had them wiped out as he consolidated his power over the NSDAP. He apparently didn't want to upset the status quo too much, at least not yet. Strasserism is still supported by various neo-Nazis.

NS and Fascism in general are more accurately describes as syncretic ideologies. They do not fit neatly in the left/right spectrum.

Was that the infamous “Night of the long knives?”
I remember learning about socialist folk being in the early NAZI party until Hitler killed them all. SAS or some paramilitary organisation. Supposedly many high ranking members were gay and that was eventually used as one of the offical excuses to kill them.
But my memory of history class is a little hazy.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Was that the infamous “Night of the long knives?”
I remember learning about socialist folk being in the early NAZI party until Hitler killed them all. SAS or some paramilitary organisation. Supposedly many high ranking members were gay and that was eventually used as one of the offical excuses to kill them.
But my memory of history class is a little hazy.

Yes. Many members of the SA were more socialist in their economic leanings, as they were predominantly drawn from the working class. Yes, they had gay members like their leader, Ernst Rohm. Their killings weren't really about them being gay as that wasn't a secret.

 

[Stevicus]

Yes. Many members of the SA were more socialist in their economic leanings, as they were predominantly drawn from the working class. Yes, they had gay members like their leader, Ernst Rohm. Their killings weren't really about them being gay as that wasn't a secret.

As I recall, the term was "Beefsteak Nazis," brown on the outside, red on the inside.

 

[SomeRandom]

Yes. Many members of the SA were more socialist in their economic leanings, as they were predominantly drawn from the working class. Yes, they had gay members like their leader, Ernst Rohm. Their killings weren't really about them being gay as that wasn't a secret.

Ahh yes Ernst Rohm. That’s who I was thinking of. Was on the tip of my tongue.
Well “official excuse” and actual reason are completely different things in this context, I would imagine.
As an aside, I always found it odd that Hitler was not the blonde blue eyed “Aryan” he so seemed to admire. But still managed to somehow convince the people that he was their saviour. Maybe I shouldn’t be so surprised, given the circumstances. I just always had that disconnect learning about the Nazi regime.
I find myself morbidly curious with Hitler’s reign, even as it repulses me.

 

[MNoBody]

Ahh yes Ernst Rohm. That’s who I was thinking of. Was on the tip of my tongue.
Well “official excuse” and actual reason are completely different things in this context, I would imagine.
As an aside, I always found it odd that Hitler was not the blonde blue eyed “Aryan” he so seemed to admire. But still managed to somehow convince the people that he was their saviour. Maybe I shouldn’t be so surprised, given the circumstances. I just always had that disconnect learning about the Nazi regime.
I find myself morbidly curious with Hitler’s reign, even as it repulses me.

enigmatic times

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Ahh yes Ernst Rohm. That’s who I was thinking of. Was on the tip of my tongue.
Well “official excuse” and actual reason are completely different things in this context, I would imagine.
As an aside, I always found it odd that Hitler was not the blonde blue eyed “Aryan” he so seemed to admire. But still managed to somehow convince the people that he was their saviour. Maybe I shouldn’t be so surprised, given the circumstances. I just always had that disconnect learning about the Nazi regime.
I find myself morbidly curious with Hitler’s reign, even as it repulses me.

The blond/blue eyed thing seemed to be more of a mythic ideal to strive for, a "Germanic" archetype. He did have blue eyes, though.

 

[SomeRandom]

The blond/blue eyed thing seemed to be more of a mythic ideal to strive for, a "Germanic" archetype.

Hmm, fair point. I guess much of my introduction to the Nazis was somewhat coloured by my teacher’s (completely justified) hateboner for Hitler. We could even get her sidetracked in English class by “innocently” asking about some facet of their reign. Just weirds me out that he was such this unimposing little creep who somehow became this powerful Furher. (Sp?)

He did have blue eyes, though.

Oh I didn’t know that. I guess only seeing black and white footage would not make it obvious

 

[SomeRandom]

enigmatic times
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So many different layers in one post. Well played, good sir