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The paradox of Epicurus
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Tumah
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Continuing the discussion on the problem of evil.
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http://www.religiousforums.com/thre...existence-of-evil-death-and-suffering.187349/
http://www.religiousforums.com/thre...ree-will-defeat-the-epicurean-paradox.188391/
http://www.religiousforums.com/thre...ldren-are-raped-tortured-and-murdered.189868/
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I hope this doesn't become my job.
Problem of suffering, free will, and Heaven
Jesus and the Problem of Evil
How do you reconcile the problem of evil?
God and Evil.
Book of Job and problem of Evil
God decides to create and...
A New Argument from Evil
Why do bad things happen when God exists?
Free Will and the Problem of Evil
Bibles answer to the problem of suffering
The Problem of Evil Revisited
http://www.religiousforums.com/thre...existence-of-evil-death-and-suffering.187349/
http://www.religiousforums.com/thre...ree-will-defeat-the-epicurean-paradox.188391/
http://www.religiousforums.com/thre...ldren-are-raped-tortured-and-murdered.189868/
God VS Evil
If God is love
Epicurus' riddle
The Problem of Suffering
Theists: Response to Epicurus famous argument.
The Riddle of Epicurus
Did Epicurus disprove God?
Epicurus
How an Omnipotent and All Loving God cannot exist.
I hope this doesn't become my job.
You're hired! Congratulations!
Too much bold, oversized font.
And here I thought that the OP was offering something new.
RabbiO
הרב יונה בן זכריה
Well, at least it would keep you off the streets at night, as my grandmother used to say.
מה שהיה הוא שיהיה ומה שנעשה הוא שיעשה ואין כל חדש תחת השמש
Tumah
Veteran Member
That sums it up.
The only logical weakness, and in my opinion a fatal weakness, in this argument is the following:
Good seems to exist. So, the conclusion that He must be malevolent, by not being willing to prevent evil, (second question) is unwarranted. For, I could say He is not willing to prevent good either, and therefore He is benevolent. Since He cannot be mutually contradicting things at the same time, the conclusion of the second question is nonsensical.
And if one of the conclusions of a complete set of conclusions is self defeating, then the whole argument falls apart. At least, logically.
This should be obvious when we rewrite the argument using full symmetry between good and evil.
Is God willing to prevent good, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is benevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh good?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?”
Even thought my modified version is equally valid, it looks much less convincing toward disproving God.
Ciao
- viole
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RabbiO
הרב יונה בן זכריה
Do you want Tumah's comment translated into Yiddish? Do you want the Hebrew translated into Yiddish?
In any event, the Hebrew is from the Tanakh, Kohelet (Ecclesiastes) 1:9.
Well, I like Ecclesiastes. It is my favorite part of the Bible. But my Hebrew is restricted to "Shalom" and the first letter of the alphabet (for professional reasons). Which is not a lot.
But I am pratically a native German speaker, so Yiddish might be more helpful. At least for me.
Ciao
- viole
Tumah
Veteran Member
In Yiddish?
װאָס איז געװען דאָס װעט זײַן, און װאָס איז געשען דאָס װעט געשען, און נישטאָ קײן נײַס אונטער דער זון
Vos iz geven, dos vet zayn. Un vos iz geshen, dos vet geshen. Un nishta kayn nayes unter der zun.
I found an older translation (like how my grandparents might talk) which might be more similar to German.
וואם עס איז געווען, איז און וועט זיין, און וואס עס האט זיך געטהאן וועט געטהאן ווערען און אונטער דער זונן איז מעהר קיין נייעס ניטא
Vos es iz geven, iz un vet zayn. Un vos es hut zikh getuhn, vet getuhn veren. Un unter der zunen, iz mehr kayn nayes nita.
I like the "nothing new under the sun" part. A lot. It is very Parmenidean.
Thanks.
Ciao
- viole
Tumah
Veteran Member
I'll have to take your word for it. But I think its a common phrase even today.
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