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Featured "THE LORD'S DAY IS THE SABBATH DAY NOT SUNDAY ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURES

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  1. 3rdAngel

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    SUNDAY WORSHIP IS NOT THE LORD'S DAY

    The term "the Lord's day" was used by some in the early Church as a reference to Sunday worship in celebration of the resurrection of Jesus. It comes from a scripture in the bible found in Revelation 1
    • REVELATION 1:10 10, I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet
    The Greek words used for the day that JOHN was in the Spirit of is the for Lord's day are
    • REVELATION 1:10 εγενομην εν πνευματι εν τη κυριακη ημερα και ηκουσα οπισω μου φωνην μεγαλην ως σαλπιγγος
    The word "κυριακη" (translit. "kuriake") is an Adjective - Dative - Singular - Feminine. This means it is being used as a 'possessive' as ownership or belonging to ("of", see 1 Corinthians 11:20, "the Lord's supper"), which means the "day" in context belongs to "the Lord". It is literally "the Lord's (belonging to) day". This means, that the "day" in context is uniquely "the Lord's" out of all the 7 days of the week, for the day under consideration is that which exists within the week, as a day which repeats weekly. This is extremely important, as those who incorrectly assume it to mean "the first [day] of the week" in lieu of Jesus' resurrection, cannot get a weekly occurrence out of a one-time event, in fulfillment of typology of the Firstfruit/Wavesheaf in Leviticus 23:9-14, as made known in 1 Corinthians 15:20,23

    The problem here however is that there is not a single scripture that references Sunday or the first day of the week (bible names for the days of the week) to being "the Lords day" in scripture.

    According to the scripture "the Lords day" however can be referenced to "the Sabbath day" of Gods' 4th commandment found in Exodus 20:8-11.

    Letting the scriptures answer this question
    • WHAT DAY IS THE LORD'S DAY ACCORDING TO THE SCRIPTURES?
    • MATTHEW 12:8 FOR THE SON OF MAN IS LORD EVEN OF THE SABBATH DAY
    This then promotes a bit of a dilemma for the Church as there is not a single scripture in all of the bible that days "the Lords day" from Revelation 1:10 is Sunday. Yet there is many scriptures referencing "the Lords day" or Gods' specific claims to ownership of any particular day to the Sabbath day that he blessed and set aside as a holy day of rest for a memorial of creation (see Genesis 2:1-3) and made one of Gods' 10 commandments (Exodus 20:8-11).

    God's "ownership" of the Sabbath day or "Lord's day is also repeated elsewhere as "MY" (ownership of the day as in the Greek used in REVELATION 1:10 κυριακη). Other scriptures in the bible pointing to "the Lords day" as being the Sabbath day...
    • MATTHEW 12:8 FOR THE SON OF MAN IS LORD EVEN OF THE SABBATH DAY. (the Sabbath day is Lord's day)
    • ISAIAH 58:13-14 [13], If you turn away your foot from the SABBATH, from doing your pleasure on MY HOLY DAY (God's claim to ownership of the Sabbath day); and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honorable; and shall honor him, not doing your own ways, nor finding your own pleasure, nor speaking your own words: [14], Then shall you delight yourself in the LORD; and I will cause you to ride on the high places of the earth, and feed you with the heritage of Jacob your father: for the mouth of the LORD has spoken it.
    • LEVITICUS 19:30 You shall keep MY SABBATHS, (God's claim to ownership of the Sabbath day)and reverence my sanctuary: I am the LORD.
    • EZEKIEL 20:12 Moreover also I gave them MY SABBATHS, (God's claim to ownership of the Sabbath day) to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I am the LORD that sanctify them.
    κυριακῇ ἡμέρᾳ used in Revelations 1:10 is in reference to the Lord's ownership of the day. It does not say that this day is in reference to μιά των σαββάτων which means the FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK.

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    Your challenge here in this OP is to prove from the scriptures alone that the Lord's DAY is in reference to the First day of the week. If you cannot all you have is a teaching and tradition of men that is not supported in the scriptures. There is not a single scripture in all the bible that refers to Sunday as being "the Lords day".

    May God bless you as you seek Him through His Word.
     
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    Well of course it's a tradition, like so much else in Christianity. Why is that a big deal to you?
     
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    Depends if you believe the bible is the only rule of faith or not and one is a practicing Christian. The big deal is that if your a Christian and put traditions over scripture that leads us to break the commandments of God according to Jesus in Matthew 15:3-9 we are not following God but putting the teachings and traditions of men above God and His Word which is sin and unbelief that we are warned against in Hebrews 3:8-19 and Hebrews 4:1-11; Hebrews 10:26-31 and 1 John 2:3-4 compare also Matthew 15:3-9. So quite a lot is at stake for a professing Christian.
     
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    Many practising Christians do not believe the bible is the only rule of faith. Sola scriptura was a Protestant invention at the Reformation. It did not apply during the previous 1500 years of existence of the Christian churches, nor has it applied since to Catholic, Orthodox or most Anglican Christians.
     
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    Sunday should never have been made into the new sabbath for Christians imo. That goes against the scriptures and was just something that the Church could use to exercise it's authority over the people.

    Col 2:16 Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. 17 These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.

    Romans 14:4Who are you to judge someone else’s servant? To his own master he stands or falls. And he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand. 5 One person regards a certain day above the others, while someone else considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. 6He who observes a special day does so to the Lord; he who eats does so to the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who abstains does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God.…
     
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    If you believe you should observe the saturday as the sabbath then do it between you and God and don't make it a law for Christians.
     
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    Friday sundown to Saturday sundown is the "Lord's Day", but since the vast majority of Christians after the 1st century were Gentiles, it really doesn't make any difference which day was chosen. Shabbat is only mandatory for Jews per Torah.
     
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    God Sabbath and 4th commandment of the 10 commandments is a law for Christians. It's one of God's 10 commandments (Exodus 20:8-11) that according to the new covenant scriptures give us a knowledge of what sin is when broken in Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7 and 1 John 3:4. James in James 2:10-11 says if we break anyone of God's 10 commandments we stand guilty before God of sin in James 2:10-11 and Jesus in Matthew 15:3-9 says that if we follow man-made teachings and traditions that lead us to break the commandments of God we are not worshiping God. This then begs the question, if we are following man-made teachings and traditions that lead us to break the commandments of God who are we worshiping God or man?
     
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    Thanks Jay, I have never seen that article before. Nice background, note not a single scripture in the bible links Sunday or the first day of the week to "the Lords day". It is simply a man-made teaching and tradition not based on the scriptures.
     
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    While the above linked article provides a good deal of information, the bottom line seems to be as follows:

    1. Consciousness of a distinction from Judaism. The Christian Sunday, although manifesting a number of features borrowed from the sabbath of Judaism, nevertheless was from the beginning a distinctive Christian institution. The first day of the week was observed because it was the day on which Jesus rose from the dead. The resurrection of Jesus, denied by Judaism, was foundational to the Christian movement. It was inevitable that Christians, even those who were Jews by race, would come to sense an essential difference between Christianity and Judaism. This consciousness of a distinction from Judaism demanded a separate day for worship.
    It is hard to believe that this was not, to one degree or another, related to the Early Christian struggle with the so-called Judaizers.
     
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    I think many Christians trumped you on that headline.

    The Jehovah Witnesses are one branch that practice an alternative Sabbath.

    Regards Tony
     
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    Hi Tony thanks for sharing and nice to meet you. The JW's do not keep the Sabbath. Many Christians however have always kept the Sabbath from Jesus and the Apostles to the early Church right down to this present day unbroken. There is a lot of historical evidence that proves this.
     
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    Just a few points Jay...

    • 1. Not all early Christians kept Sunday. Some outside of Rome only kept the Sabbath while others kept the Sabbath commandment and Sunday.
    • 2. The historical records also show that God's Sabbath was kept unbroken from Jesus and the Apostles to the early Christians to this present day
    • 3. There was a gradual change in mainstream Christianity from Sabbath in the early Church Sabbath and Sunday under Christian persecution
    • 4. Over time the mainstream Church's of Rome, adopted Sunday worship in preference of the Sabbath as a separation from the Jews without and biblical support.
    • 5. Like the claim that "the Lords day" is Sunday, there is not a single scripture in all of the bible that says Gods' 4th commandment has now been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day of rest. This also is a man-made teaching and tradition of the RCC.
    • 6. There is no such thing as "the Jewish Sabbath" there was no Jew, no Moses, no Hebrews and no Israel when the Sabbath was made for all mankind on the seventh day of the creation week (see Genesis 2:1-3 and Mark 2:27).
    • 7. According to the scriptures the Sabbath of God's 4th commandment of the 10 commandments that give us a knowledge of what sin is when broken in Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4 and James 2:10-11 will be continued to be kept in the new earth after the second coming of Jesus (see Isaiah 66:23)

    So if you are following the scriptures here, someone has made some serious mistakes in mainstream Christianity leading many to either knowingly or unknowingly break the commandments of God in order to follow man-made teachings and traditions unsupported by the scriptures they all claim to believe and follow.

    God bless
     
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    There were a number of points with which I could take issue, but I won't. I would only ask that you save your preaching for those who are far less read and far more receptive.
     
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    Ah yes indeed, I mixed mixed them up with the SDA, which I often do, they all branched into separate doctrine in the late 1800's after the 'Great Disappointment' of 1844.

    Regards Tony
     
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    Thanks Jay, no preaching. Only sharing scripture as to what is true and supported by fact and scripture and what is not true and supported by facts or scripture. Lets be honest. I am very happy to hear why you do not agree with in regards to the seven points I provided earlier and very confident I can defend them with scriptures or the historical records if your interested in friendly discussion?
     
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    Ok thanks Tony.
     
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    Are you saying that Tuesday is not the Lord's day too? Who is Lord on Tuesday? Does the Lord cease being the Lord on the other days?

    Col 2:16 So don’t let anyone condemn you for what you eat or drink, or for not celebrating certain holy days or new moon ceremonies or Sabbaths. 17 For these rules are only shadows of the reality yet to come. And Christ himself is that reality.

    Mark 2:27 Then Jesus said to them, “The Sabbath was made to meet the needs of people, and not people to meet the requirements of the Sabbath. 28 So the Son of Man is Lord, even over the Sabbath!”
     
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    Have a nice evening.
     
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