The implications of "no collusion"

[Fool]

Many agents of the Russian government have been indicted or convicted for their roles in interfering in the 2016 election.

If Trump had been colluding with Russia, the motive for this interference would have been pretty straightforward: whatever Trump was offering them to help him would presumably had value to the groups doing the interference.

... but now it seems that Trump wasn't offering them anything. So why did they do it?

It seems that their reward really was just getting Trump into office, along with all the implications of this.

So which implications of getting Trump into office do you think provided the motive for these Russian agents? What do you think they expected Trump to do that created value for them?

20 dollars is 20 dollars

 

[Audie]

Beholden to Putin ? Really ? He has given Ukraine air defense and ground defense missiles, something the Russians were apoplectic about.Russians.

He withdrew from the SALT treaty, which upset the Russians greatly.

In Venezuela, he has supported the opposition to Putins supported president. The Russians don´t like that .

There have been serious incidents between US and Russian aircraft, and the Russians have created incidents with US naval ships in the Caspian sea, which the Russians consider their territorial waters.

Trump has put US troops and Armor right on the Russian border in Poland, something osama bin obama and other presidents did not do, as the Russians did not want them there.

US Russian relations are at their most strained since the cold war, primarily because Trump has been more aggressive toward the Russians than any president since the cold war.

If these are actions by someone who is beholden to Putin, then God help him if Trump stops being beholden to him.

Russia is not in an enviable position, geographically.
They are more than a little sick of getting invaded,
and their position got a lot weaker after the fall of
the empire.

There is a deep history to Russia's need to have
borders as secure as it can make them, and buffers
beyond that.

Putin is doing what he can to re establish the
boundaries of the cold war, and you cant blame
him.

The USA has, meanwhile, been trying for some few
years now, with considerable success, to thwart
Russia's ambitions, contain them,disrupt them, keep
them weak.

There is no way on gods green earth to have smooth
relations with Russia unless both sides decide that
they no longer care about much of anything besides
kumbaya and maybe chess

 

[Revoltingest]

I thought about that too, The Russians probably have some type of Michael jackson/Wicked Uncle Ernie "fiddling about" type video Kompromat on Mueller so Mueller decided to cook the books on the investigation and make it appear that there was no evidence of collusion but left it open for discussion so it wasn't so obvious and once again the meddling Russians have caused division and discord in the U.S.

Joy Reid says she smells a cover up:
MSNBC's Joy Reid on Mueller Report: It Feels Like The Seeds Of A Cover-Up Are Here | Video | RealClearPolitics

Rachael Maddow almost cried on air, she spent the last two years pushing the Trump collusion story week after week yet those Russian jerks are probably laughing knowing it's all true:
WATCH: Rachel Maddow Nearly Breaks Down In Tears Over Mueller Report | Daily Wire

It would indeed be a great (in both quality & magnitude) practical joke.
The NSA is hearing a lot of snickering & guffawing on their hidden microphones.

Btw, let's not think this is about liking Pubs, & hating Dems.
I bet they'd plot against either, all depending upon opportunity.

 

[MJFlores]

Many agents of the Russian government have been indicted or convicted for their roles in interfering in the 2016 election.

If Trump had been colluding with Russia, the motive for this interference would have been pretty straightforward: whatever Trump was offering them to help him would presumably had value to the groups doing the interference.

... but now it seems that Trump wasn't offering them anything. So why did they do it?

It seems that their reward really was just getting Trump into office, along with all the implications of this.

So which implications of getting Trump into office do you think provided the motive for these Russian agents? What do you think they expected Trump to do that created value for them?

Putin was the winner.

He feared Hillary would win.

The Russians did a good job as Robert Mueller failed to gather evidence traceable to the Russ.

It will be Trump on 2020
and he will win again
with the help of Mexico.

 

[Audie]

It would indeed be a great (in both quality & magnitude) practical joke.
The NSA is hearing a lot of snickering & guffawing on their hidden microphones.

Btw, let's not think this is about liking Pubs, & hating Dems.
I bet they'd plot against either, all depending upon opportunity.

I sort of think those Russians are just byzantine enough
to plot against both at the same time. Like it seems to
be hard, these days.

 

[shmogie]

Russia is not in an enviable position, geographically.
They are more than a little sick of getting invaded,
and their position got a lot weaker after the fall of
the empire.

There is a deep history to Russia's need to have
borders as secure as it can make them, and buffers
beyond that.

Putin is doing what he can to re establish the
boundaries of the cold war, and you cant blame
him.

The USA has, meanwhile, been trying for some few
years now, with considerable success, to thwart
Russia's ambitions, contain them,disrupt them, keep
them weak.

There is no way on gods green earth to have smooth
relations with Russia unless both sides decide that
they no longer care about much of anything besides
kumbaya and maybe chess

Thank you for making my point, Trump has taken a hard line re Russia, and they don´t like it. If he was beholden to Putin, this certainly wouldn´t be the case.

Lets not forget that from the time of the first Tsars, Russia has done a hell of a lot of invading and staying, unwanted, right up to today.

Putin wants the evil empire back geographically, it won´t happen without a big time war.

 

[Father Heathen]

And if there was no collusion, why is Donny Dollhands so beholden to Putin?

Maybe Putin is blackmailing him with a copy of that rumored "pee tape".

 

[Stevicus]

INasmuchas a war with Russia or any nuclear power is
considered to be, probably is suicidal, that is a pretty
ridiculous worry. Any way, it was Reagan and Trump
who wuz gonna blow up the world, coz the are
Republicans.

Hillary start war is about the remotest of the negatives
one could anticipate from her.

Well, some people were worried about it just the same.

There were similar worries about Reagan back in the day, although the Democrats were concurrently viewed as such irredeemable wimps as to be a danger to America. Although they tried to shake off that image as best they could (such as with the image of Dukakis driving a tank), it still stuck with them. As a result, Hillary turned out to be the toughest Democrat in a long time. She chews nails and spits blood.

 

[Stevicus]

Didn't Lenin have a quote about this?

"All power to the Soviets!" - Lenin

 

[Audie]

Thank you for making my point, Trump has taken a hard line re Russia, and they don´t like it. If he was beholden to Putin, this certainly wouldn´t be the case.

Lets not forget that from the time of the first Tsars, Russia has done a hell of a lot of invading and staying, unwanted, right up to today.

Putin wants the evil empire back geographically, it won´t happen without a big time war.

What point did I "make" for you?

 

[Audie]

"All power to the Soviets!" - Lenin

Probably "useful idiots" was the one alluded to.

 

[shmogie]

What point did I "make" for you?

That Trumps actions do not constitute him being beholden to Putin, a point made by another poster.

 

[pearl]

If Trump had been colluding with Russia, the motive for this interference would have been pretty straightforward: whatever Trump was offering them to help him would presumably had value to the groups doing the interference.

I am still of the opinion that Trump got in this for his own personal benefit, building the Trump name into a worldly dynasty. And that Putin's main objective was to hinder Hillary as much as possible, payback for calling his election a fraud. Apparently evidence for collusion was not there. But for obstruction, while apparently the evidence did not 'exonerate' him.

 

[metis]

As much as I trust Trump about as far as I can throw him, nevertheless I do take some satisfaction at least that there was at least no evidence of Trump & Family colluding with the Russians to try and slant the elections. That's assuming, of course, that what Barr wrote is a correct synopsis of what the Mueller Report says.

Obstruction may be another matter as one can seemingly draw a parallel between what Mueller concluded and what happened with Watergate as Nixon was never legally charged with "obstruction of justice" and yet still chose to resign when he realized that even the Republicans in Congress wouldn't support him.

I've mentioned it several times in recent months, namely that if there's anything from a legal standpoint that could lead to criminal charges against Trump when he's out of office, it's quite possibly his financial dealings with some shady characters, especially Deutsche Bank that is notorious for money laundering and was heavily fined last year. It's also possible that Kushner and Trump Jr., and maybe even Ivanka, could possibly have some legal problems along this line as well.

 

[Audie]

That Trumps actions do not constitute him being beholden to Putin, a point made by another poster.

Nobody knows if he is in some way beholden, though
it seems a bit improbable to me.

 

[Audie]

I am still of the opinion that Trump got in this for his own personal benefit, building the Trump name into a worldly dynasty. And that Putin's main objective was to hinder Hillary as much as possible, payback for calling his election a fraud. Apparently evidence for collusion was not there. But for obstruction, while apparently the evidence did not 'exonerate' him.

And my take is that just sowing discord in the USA
was the main objective, and, if so, there was considerable
success. Even got people to arguing here, too.

 

[Nakosis]

“You know the answer. And just because you’re sucking up to Donald Trump and just because power is all that matters to you and just because you will justify everything that man does and just because you are corrupt, just because you’re not a journalist, just because you have sold your soul to a personality cult, don’t knock reporters at The New York Times or The Washington Post or The Wall Street Journal or the broadcast networks for doing their job right.”

Joe Scarborough Sends Withering Warning To Donald Trump's Defenders

 

[Yerda]

And if there was no collusion, why is Donny Dollhands so beholden to Putin?

He maybe just loves a tyrant.

 

[Enoch07]

Many agents of the Russian government have been indicted or convicted for their roles in interfering in the 2016 election.

If Trump had been colluding with Russia, the motive for this interference would have been pretty straightforward: whatever Trump was offering them to help him would presumably had value to the groups doing the interference.

... but now it seems that Trump wasn't offering them anything. So why did they do it?

It seems that their reward really was just getting Trump into office, along with all the implications of this.

So which implications of getting Trump into office do you think provided the motive for these Russian agents? What do you think they expected Trump to do that created value for them?

The reward for getting Trump into office was that it kept Hillary from getting into office. Simple as that.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

He maybe just loves a tyrant.

Given his man crush on Kim and Duterte, you may well be right.