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Doesn't really matter. Every clip seems to have different people on it.
First of all, God lied about the consequences. He said they'd die that day, like it was poisonous or something. He hid from them the REAL reason brought up by the serpent: God didn't want them to have divine powers. That's it. It was some petty thing. The serpent did not lie as God verifies the serpent's version VERBATIM Himself. If the serpent's lying, so is God.
But it's more likely to occur if you don't know why disobedience is BAD.
The REAL evil thing is that Eve is punished for breaking a rule that was set up PRIOR to her creation and the story never shows us she is told the correct rule. That she adds "touching" to it means she was unclear on the details.
Agreed, but if you leave the gun next to the kid, someone's gonna die and it's the parent's fault.
If the Garden of Eden was so great, how did it get so messed up?
God's kinda dumb. I'm glad I stopped equating the biblical character with any real deity.
How do you figure? There's no evidence Yahweh knows ANYTHING much outside a limited area of the Middle East.
So, sin is made up? I agree. Note that after they eat of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, they start making up sins like nudity that no one ever said was a sin.
It's a good thing, as Matt studied to be a preacher and was a Christian for decades and studied the bible diligently. Studies have often showed that just about everyone knows the bible better than Christians.
When did that happen?
But the authors are dead. And before you say God inspired it, God told me He didn't. What happens next? Whom should I believe, man or God, especially when human authors are attributed to every single book and none are attributed to God? There is no "Gospel of God" out there. Just of men.
You'd need a Ouija board to contact the author of that book, right?
Well, considering in pre-Jewish sources, Yahweh was just another god in the pantheon and El was the creator (but that doesn't make sense either since like Cronus, He was born when earth and sky mated and you don't create your parents), it makes sense that Yahweh, claiming things that He didn't do, will get lost on some of the details.
What knowledge? That's the whole point: the fruit granted "knowledge".
God made a human male and that human male had to *cough*experience*cough* all the other animals before God realizes he needs a woman to mate with to reproduce. God can't even make a woman out of dirt unless you buy the Lilith story.
Jesus ran around bragging about dying and when it finally got around to happening, he cried to get out of it. Jesus was baiting God and got hoisted by his own petard.
The author can't be talking about the serpent in Genesis, because that was the most honest character in the story. The author calls the serpent, Satan, but the devil isn't in that story. The author lied.
Funnily enough, no one who wrote the NT experienced Jesus.
Doesn't really matter. Every clip seems to have different people on it.
First of all, God lied about the consequences. He said they'd die that day, like it was poisonous or something. He hid from them the REAL reason brought up by the serpent: God didn't want them to have divine powers. That's it. It was some petty thing. The serpent did not lie as God verifies the serpent's version VERBATIM Himself. If the serpent's lying, so is God.
Second, they weren't punished with death. He didn't kill them. He slapped them on the wrist and sent them on their way. Having to adult is not punishment, no matter what my mother and father think.
Third, this is a story that is a leftover from previous myths. Ancient Gods all over the place had magic gardens with fruit or whatever that had powers, usually immortality.
But it's more likely to occur if you don't know why disobedience is BAD.
And besides that, disobeying a dumb rule shouldn't equate to evil. Despite the fact Jesus wants us to be like God, OT God under no circumstances wanted us to be anywhere close to His status, which is weird because if that's impossible, why worry about it so much? He made us in His image and then whines when we act like Him.
The REAL evil thing is that Eve is punished for breaking a rule that was set up PRIOR to her creation and the story never shows us she is told the correct rule. That she adds "touching" to it means she was unclear on the details.
Agreed, but if you leave the gun next to the kid, someone's gonna die and it's the parent's fault.
If the Garden of Eden was so great, how did it get so messed up?
God's kinda dumb. I'm glad I stopped equating the biblical character with any real deity.
How do you figure? There's no evidence Yahweh knows ANYTHING much outside a limited area of the Middle East.
So, sin is made up? I agree. Note that after they eat of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, they start making up sins like nudity that no one ever said was a sin.
It's a good thing, as Matt studied to be a preacher and was a Christian for decades and studied the bible diligently. Studies have often showed that just about everyone knows the bible better than Christians.
When did that happen?
But the authors are dead. And before you say God inspired it, God told me He didn't. What happens next? Whom should I believe, man or God, especially when human authors are attributed to every single book and none are attributed to God? There is no "Gospel of God" out there. Just of men.
You'd need a Ouija board to contact the author of that book, right?
Well, considering in pre-Jewish sources, Yahweh was just another god in the pantheon and El was the creator (but that doesn't make sense either since like Cronus, He was born when earth and sky mated and you don't create your parents), it makes sense that Yahweh, claiming things that He didn't do, will get lost on some of the details.
What knowledge? That's the whole point: the fruit granted "knowledge".
God made a human male and that human male had to *cough*experience*cough* all the other animals before God realizes he needs a woman to mate with to reproduce. God can't even make a woman out of dirt unless you buy the Lilith story.
Jesus ran around bragging about dying and when it finally got around to happening, he cried to get out of it. Jesus was baiting God and got hoisted by his own petard.
The author can't be talking about the serpent in Genesis, because that was the most honest character in the story. The author calls the serpent, Satan, but the devil isn't in that story. The author lied.
Funnily enough, no one who wrote the NT experienced Jesus.
I did reply, but if you don't respond to the reply, then it's possible you you would feel you didn't get an answer. Perhaps you were looking for a particular response.
Adam and Eve knew what is obedience and disobedience.
Shoe the verse where it says they did.
They're not Adam and Eve are they?
Where does it say that god taught them?
That's not genesis.
You are not showing me any verses for anything you have proposed.
Can't show you a verse that doesn't exist.
It's not about what I want, it's about what you assumed. Why are you giving verses from Mathews, when I'm asking verses from genesis?
At that moment, yes. Their eyes had to be open to see themselves naked.
Literally, yes, otherwise they wouldn't have known that they were naked.
Exactly? You are asking for what you want - verses from Genesis.
That's a rather vague statement. I don't know what you are trying to say.
Thanks for trying to add some meat to that bone.
No, I'm telling you what's in the bible. You, on the other hand, is saying something that is not in the bible.
So you are saying that their eyes were closed the entire time?
Context.How did they see anything?
Figuratively, yes, otherwise they wouldn't have known that they were naked.
This post is confusing. I'm trying to understand it, but I don't know if you are saying it was figurative or not.
So rather than trying to create a weak man argument, by falsely accusing me of trying to dodge, why not clarify.
I am wondering if you understand what you want to say.
Uh huh?
What? No you are saying that.... Or perhaps you don't even know what you are saying.
Excuse me. I'm sorry, but that just confirms it. You don't even understand a word you said. So I asked you to clarify, and you give me one word - context. This is not Babel is it?