THE FULFILLMENT OF BABYLON THE GREAT, Part 2 of 2

[jamesdalbright]

THE FULFILLMENT OF BABYLON THE GREAT
Part 2 of 2

When the Antichrist sees that the earth quakes cause the USA to become defenseless, John saw in Rev 17:12-13 and 16-17 that the ten horns, which are the leaders of the Muslim terrorist organizations that are operating with in the ten nation kingdom, which are those nations that are fighting with Israel, will join with the Antichrist’s seven heads, which are kingdoms and their kings, in the common purpose to defeat the USA.
Rev 17:12 - 13 and 16 - 17… 12 "As for the ten horns which you saw are ten kings, who have not yet received a kingdom, but they receive authority as kings with the beast for one hour. 13 "These have one purpose and they give their power and authority to the beast. 16 "And the ten horns which you saw, and the beast, these will hate the harlot and will make her desolate and naked, and will eat her flesh and will burn her up with fire. 17 “For God has put it in their hearts to execute His purpose by having a common purpose, and by giving their kingdom to the beast, until the words of God will be fulfilled.

Rev 17:23 tells us that it is the merchants of the USA who are responsible for causing the judgment of the USA.
Rev 17:23 and the light of a lamp will not shine in you any longer; and the voice of the bridegroom and bride will not be heard in you any longer; for your merchants were the great men of the earth, because all the nations were deceived by your sorcery.

As you can see the USA is the only country that is capable of fulfilling all of the descriptions found in these scriptures.

After Jesus revealed to me that the USA is Babylon the Great He showed me the following vision to confirm that the insight was from Him and that He wanted me to share this message with His churches. One day when I was sitting at the table writing a letter I suddenly could not keep my eyes open, which I thought was strange because I had just awakened. When I laid down on the couch I saw a vision in which the face of a black man appeared before me, and I as I studied his face I noticed He was surrounded by a loving peace. He then told me to go and tell them, which I knew meant that I was suppose to go and tell the churches and the lost that the USA is Babylon the Great. After I soaked up the peacefulness that surrounded him for a few moments the vision ended. When I got up I said to Jesus that if it was Him who appeared to me, He would have to tell me who to tell first, who to tell second and who to tell third. Jesus led me to get dressed and leave my apartment. He took me south of Philadelphia, Pa to a church basement that was being used to take care of handicapped children. I shared a gospel tract with those in charge and then I left. Jesus then led me to a nearby church and after I knocked on the door and asked the receptionist if the Pastor was there and she responded, “you mean Father” I questioned Jesus asking Him if it was He who was leading me, since I knew that we are not suppose to call ourselves father. After I went inside the minister immediately appeared and invited me into his office. While I was sharing with him that we are not suppose to call ourselves father, I was shown that he had the Holy Spirit, but yet, he allowed himself to be called father. I realized that he belonged to Jesus, but some of his teachings were incorrect. He thanked me for the conversation and I left. Then Jesus led me to a church near my apartment and when the Pastor answered the door I was astounded because his face was the same face that the Holy Spirit appeared to me in the vision and then I realized that it was the Holy Spirit who appeared to me and that both the message that the USA is Babylon the Great and that I was supposed to go and to tell God’s people this message was from Jesus.

One day, while I was pondering why I was led to the first two churches before I was led to the church where the Pastor, whose face Jesus appeared to me as, answered the door, I realized that Jesus led me to the first two churches, so that it would be at the third church, where He confirmed that the vision was from Him, because after I saw the vision I said to Him, “if it was you who appeared to me you will have to tell me who to tell first, who to tell second and who to tell third.” This realization deepened my experience with Jesus.

One of the reasons that Jesus sent me to share that the USA is Babylon the Great is because Rev 18:4 contains a warning to the believers.
Rev 18:4 states And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, "Come out of her, my people, that you may not participate in her sins and that you may not receive of her plagues;

This scripture is a warning to the believers, that if they participate in the sins that the Socialists in the Democratic Party are committing, either directly or indirectly by voting for one of these Socialists, they will receive their plagues. Some of these sins include the Socialist “separation of church and state,” which is a violation of the original intent of separation of church and state, because it is part of their scheme to establish Atheism as the national religion, promiscuity, abortion, pornography, gambling, alcohol, legalizing homosexuality, same sex marriage, transgender, teaching or supporting those that teach evolution in the public schools, colleges, museums, parks or through any of the media outlets, inclusion of no evangelizing in the “no soliciting” signs that you see on the windows of businesses, requiring permits to evangelize with in city limits, supporting the Muslims against Israel, and no evangelistic statements allowed in the work place. These are some of the sins that the Socialists in the Democratic Party are committing and if you are a believer and are participating in them you will receive their plagues if you don't come out of them.

 

[metis]

"Babylon the Great" was a reference to the Roman Empire in the 1st century c.e., whereas the feminine form of "Babylon" was a cloaked reference to the city of Rome.

 

[jamesdalbright]

"Babylon the Great" was a reference to the Roman Empire in the 1st century c.e., whereas the feminine form of "Babylon" was a cloaked reference to the city of Rome.

That is not a good description of the position many believers took regarding the fulfillment of Babylon the great. The correct description is that many believers were taught that the Catholic Church is the fulfillment of Babylon the great and one day a Pope will be the Antichrist. If you take "Catholic Church" and plug it in where I wrote the USA you will quickly see that it is an absurd idea because the Catholic church doesn't fit the effects of the judgments and the descriptions of Babylon the great found in Rev. 16 - 18. There are a large number of believers who think Babylon the great is all false religions in which they include Catholicism. If you take "false religions" and plug it into where I wrote USA you will see this is just as absurd. For example Catholicism and False Religions can't suffer an earthquake, let alone one that causes all of the cities of the nations to fall, which is found in Rev. 16:18-21.
Rev. 16:18 And there were flashes of lightning and sounds and peals of thunder; and there was a great earthquake, such as there had not been since man came to be upon the earth, so great an earthquake was it, and so mighty. 19 And the great city was split into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell. And Babylon the great was remembered before God, to give her the cup of the wine of His fierce wrath. 20 And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found. 21 And huge hailstones, about one hundred pounds each, came down from heaven upon men; and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail, because its plague was extremely severe.

 

[exchemist]

That is not a good description of the position many believers took regarding the fulfillment of Babylon the great. The correct description is that many believers were taught that the Catholic Church is the fulfillment of Babylon the great and one day a Pope will be the Antichrist. If you take "Catholic Church" and plug it in where I wrote the USA you will quickly see that it is an absurd idea because the Catholic church doesn't fit the effects of the judgments and the descriptions of Babylon the great found in Rev. 16 - 18. There are a large number of believers who think Babylon the great is all false religions in which they include Catholicism. If you take "false religions" and plug it into where I wrote USA you will see this is just as absurd. For example Catholicism and False Religions can't suffer an earthquake, let alone one that causes all of the cities of the nations to fall, which is found in Rev. 16:18-21.
Rev. 16:18 And there were flashes of lightning and sounds and peals of thunder; and there was a great earthquake, such as there had not been since man came to be upon the earth, so great an earthquake was it, and so mighty. 19 And the great city was split into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell. And Babylon the great was remembered before God, to give her the cup of the wine of His fierce wrath. 20 And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found. 21 And huge hailstones, about one hundred pounds each, came down from heaven upon men; and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail, because its plague was extremely severe.

Yes, it’s certainly the case that a lot of old-fashioned anti-Catholic bigotry used a warped and ahistorical reading of Revelation to make extreme Protestants feel righteous about their hatred. But this is the sort of thing that went out with Ian Paisley: “Naio poperaeigh!”. In fact even Paisley himself softened at the end of his life, perhaps being realising how unChristian he had been and how soon how would have to answer for it.

But this attempt you seem to be making to equate Babylon with what you call “socialism” (my guess is, as an American,you have little idea what that actually means) is just as contorted and ahistorical as those old anti-Catholic protestants. The teaching of Christ is full of instruction and examples of aiding the poor and the responsibility of the rich towards those less fortunate. This is actually a major aim of most centre-left politics.

 

[metis]

That is not a good description of the position many believers took regarding the fulfillment of Babylon the great.

The "majority" is not always correct. Also, we know how Babylon the Great was being used on the basis of how it was being viewed back then, not nowadays. For example, the wordage in the verse whereas "666" in mentioned was put in the present tense back then, not the future tense.

The correct description is that many believers were taught that the Catholic Church is the fulfillment of Babylon the great and one day a Pope will be the Antichrist.

Then give maybe give your Bible to someone who knows its importance, as it was the Catholic Church that selected the canon of the Bible that you use.

You're just spouting the same kind of religious bigotry I was taught in the fundamentalist church I grew up in, but then when I studied Christian and Jewish theology on my own, I discovered otherwise and left my old church.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

Revelation 18:24….
“Yes, in her [Babylon the Great] was found the blood of prophets and of holy ones and of all those who have been slaughtered on the earth.”

So, how could it be the USA?
People were being slaughtered way before the USA ever came into existence.

It is false religion, which fosters ideologies that the God of the Bible disapproves of, and / or which devalues His righteous standards.

 

[metis]

Revelation 18:24….
“Yes, in her [Babylon the Great] was found the blood of prophets and of holy ones and of all those who have been slaughtered on the earth.”

So, how could it be the USA?
People were being slaughtered way before the USA ever came into existence.

It is false religion, which fosters ideologies that the God of the Bible disapproves of, and / or which devalues His righteous standards.

It's a cloaked reference to the Roman Empire.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Biden says he and the Pope are ‘on the same page’ about Israel
President Biden said Monday that he and Pope Francis agree on the administration’s plan for addressing the ongoing conflict in the Middle East between Israel and Hamas, after their conversation over the weekend.
“The Pope and I are on the same page,” Mr. Biden said at an event to talk about his economic agenda. “I laid out to him what the game plan was, how we thought we should be providing the kind of assistance to Israel they needed and the Pope was across-the-board supportive of what we’re doing.”

The little horn of the ten horned fourth Beast of Daniel and the Whore of Babylon are on the same page?

 

[metis]

The little horn of the ten horned fourth Beast of Daniel and the Whore of Babylon are on the same page?

Interpretations may and often do vary. Generally speaking, they almost always deal with events either when they happen or those that led up to the then difficulties.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

^ Revelation and Daniel prophecies about end times/judgement imply the real end of the existing human global civilization which has evolved through history, and the judgement of all human souls. The global dominant power of the day will be the final beast of Daniel and Revelation, so if the unfolding events in the world are to do with the fulfillment of end time prophecy, whose interpretation best represents the present reality?

 

[metis]

^ Revelation and Daniel prophecies about end times/judgement imply the real end of the existing human global civilization which has evolved through history, and the judgement of all human souls. The global dominant power of the day will be the final beast of Daniel and Revelation, so if the unfolding events in the world are to do with the fulfillment of end time prophecy, whose interpretation best represents the present reality?

The lessons derived from the narratives indeed are useful foe today, but the symbolism that's used dealt with the conditions at the time of the writing or near it.

 

[HaEmeth]

"Babylon the Great" was a reference to the Roman Empire in the 1st century c.e., whereas the feminine form of "Babylon" was a cloaked reference to the city of Rome.

You may have to evaluate your stand on its identification in view of what Revelation 17:1, 2 said:

"And one of the seven angels that had the seven bowls came and spoke with me, saying: “Come, I will show you the judgment upon the great harlot who sits on many waters, with whom the kings of the earth committed fornication, whereas those who inhabit the earth were made drunk with the wine of her fornication ... And upon her forehead was written a name, a mystery: “Babylon the Great, the mother of the harlots and of the disgusting things of the earth.”” - Revelation 17:1, 2, 5​

Babylon the Great, those verses say, committed fornication with the kings of the earth - the political powers. And the Roman Empire was a political power. The Roman Empire cannot commit fornication with itself. Babylon the Great, therefore, is a non-political entity.

More likely, it is a religious empire because Rev 8:23 says it is engaged in "spiritistic practice ": "and no light of a lamp will ever shine in you again, and no voice of a bridegroom and of a bride will ever be heard in you again; because your traveling merchants were the top-ranking men of the earth, for by your spiritistic practice all the nations were misled.

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John 8:32 and YOU will know the truth, and the truth will set YOU free.

 

[metis]

You may have to evaluate your stand on its identification in view of what Revelation 17:1, 2 said:

"And one of the seven angels that had the seven bowls came and spoke with me, saying: “Come, I will show you the judgment upon the great harlot who sits on many waters, with whom the kings of the earth committed fornication, whereas those who inhabit the earth were made drunk with the wine of her fornication ... And upon her forehead was written a name, a mystery: “Babylon the Great, the mother of the harlots and of the disgusting things of the earth.”” - Revelation 17:1, 2, 5​

Babylon the Great, those verses say, committed fornication with the kings of the earth - the political powers. And the Roman Empire was a political power. The Roman Empire cannot commit fornication with itself. Babylon the Great, therefore, is a non-political entity.

More likely, it is a religious empire because Rev 8:23 says it is engaged in "spiritistic practice ": "and no light of a lamp will ever shine in you again, and no voice of a bridegroom and of a bride will ever be heard in you again; because your traveling merchants were the top-ranking men of the earth, for by your spiritistic practice all the nations were misled.

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John 8:32 and YOU will know the truth, and the truth will set YOU free.

It refers to those earthly powers who had collaborated with the Romans against eretz Israel and the Way.

See: Whore of Babylon: Who Is She Really? (Symbolism & Interpretations)

Also here: Whore of Babylon - Wikipedia

 

[HaEmeth]

THE FULFILLMENT OF BABYLON THE GREAT
Part 2 of 2

After Jesus revealed to me that the USA is Babylon the Great, He showed me the following vision to confirm that the insight was from Him and that He wanted me to share this message with His churches.

I hate to break it to you, but the age of visions belongs to yesteryears - the Bible years to be specific. That age when the Bible was being written - the age of prophets and apostles. The visions that you saw is not from God - it is from someone else. In fact, how would you even know it was really Jesus speaking to you. No one alive has ever seen Jesus. He might say he was Jesus but how would you verify. Satan, or anyone of his ministers, could even disguise himself as an angel of light, a minister of good, and to look like and appear like Jesus in the flesh:

"And no wonder, for Satan himself keeps disguising himself as an angel of light. It is therefore nothing extraordinary if his ministers also keep disguising themselves as ministers of righteousness. But their end will be according to their works." - 2 Corinthians 11:14, 15​

Exactly experiences of this sort is what prompted Jesus to warn us at Matthew 24:4, 5, where he said:

"And in answer Jesus said to them: “Look out that nobody misleads YOU; for many will come on the basis of my name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will mislead many."​

Did Jesus then leave us unguided in this time? Perish that thought. When he ascended back to heaven shortly after being resurrected, he assures us:

"And look! I am with you all the days until the conclusion of the system of things." - Matthew 28:20​

Understanding the Bible is now the domain of a faithful and discreet slave. Jesus said that this composite group of anointed people will manifest themselves in the last days. Shortly before his death, Jesus had a private conversation with four of his disciples—Peter, James, John, and Andrew. As Jesus was foretelling the sign of his presence in the last days, he raised a vital question:

“Who really is the faithful and discreet slave whom his master appointed over his domestics, to give them their food at the proper time?” (Matthew 24:3, 45; Mark 13:3, 4)​

Jesus was assuring his disciples that as their “master,” he would appoint those who would provide a steady supply of spiritual food for his followers during the time of the end. Who would make up this slave?

It is a small group of anointed followers of Jesus. We are dependent on this faithful slave to keep giving us our “measure of food supplies at the proper time.”—Luke 12:42.

And who might they be?

As there was a Governing Body composed of the apostles and the disciples during the days of the Apostles - which decided on issues affecting the Christian congregation back then, like the issue of circumcision - there should be a similar structure today. Interpreting the Scriptures, a sobering thought, cannot be left to an individual but to a body. They will dispense the correct understanding of the Scriptures.

And that body is in operation right now. Our responsibility is to determine who they are and follow them.

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1 Corinthians 13:8 But if there are gifts of prophecy, they will be done away with.