The face of a new Europe, and a new EU

[Estro Felino]

"Irregular migrants" is still quite different from "illegals."

In many EU countries it's the exact same thing. Semantically and juridically.

More conspiracy theories about "financial and banking dynasties," with no evidence to back up such claims.

There is a banking system that exploits most countries of Western Africa.

And by the way...
banking and financial dynasties don't need to be defended. They are the first ones to cause the inequalities....both in Europe and in Africa.

It's age-old geopolitics and advancement of some countries' interests at the expense of others'. Nothing arcane or mysterious about it.

Neo-colonialism is horrific and needs to end.

As for Niger, the junta used anti-imperialist sentiments as a pretense for seizing power, but I'm betting that they will be just as corrupt and oppressive as their predecessors, if not more so.

They are considered oppressive by the élites who used to steal Niger's resources...of course.

But Gaddafi was trying to help these countries through a new currency...
Was he oppressive?
No...he was an enlightened, refined socialist leader.

 

[Stevicus]

I believe in a new Europe.
Many of us Europeans do. Where nations and borders are defended, and where some Sorosian associations are not allowed to interfere with the democratically elected institutions of the EU.
Plutocracy and technocracy do not belong in democratic, secular and souverainist Europe.

The truth has been exposed:

In Brussels, announced withdrawal of Soros Foundation leaves NGOs reeling

Every year, the Soros Foundation provides over €186 million in funding to a myriad of NGOs in the European Union. The position this private institution occupies in support of civil society is almost unique.

www.lemonde.fr

There will be European Parliamentary elections, and I guess people are sick and tired of the Sorosian framework imposing their pro-invasion agenda.
Since Europe is being invaded by illegals...

We also found out that the German Left uses German taxpayers' money to fund the NGOs, often promoting illegal immigration, by pushing these illegals to depart from Africa...I guess the European left-wing has been exposed.

Regarding the problem of refugees seeking asylum, we have the same issue here in the U.S. The issue is getting significant attention both from the media and politicians, but what seems to be minimized or ignored is why there's a refugee problem to begin with.

 

[Estro Felino]

Regarding the problem of refugees seeking asylum, we have the same issue here in the U.S. The issue is getting significant attention both from the media and politicians, but what seems to be minimized or ignored is why there's a refugee problem to begin with.

The heartbreaking factor is that there are all these people who should be helped in those countries.
You don't solve anything by moving overwhelming masses of people, all in a row to the US or Canada.
It's self-detrimental for them and it's detrimental for American citizens who will have to spends so much money to help them assimilate and find a new life, also considering the economic problems American citizens already have.

For example, there are so many associations in Spain that fight for social and economic justice of the countries of Latin America, especially Central America.
There are solutions because the World Bank and the IMF should be interested in their development.
We are speaking of countries with enormous potentialities. Just think of Venezuela. But in those entities there are only élites who desire to multiply their own billions of dollars and exploit those countries.

 

[Stevicus]

There are solutions because the World Bank and the IMF should be interested in their development.
We are speaking of countries with enormous potentialities. Just think of Venezuela. But in those entities there are only élites who desire to multiply their own billions of dollars and exploit those countries.

What seems apparent here is that the powers that be in this world can't think of anything else to do. For the past few hundred years, we've seen the West grow exponentially in terms of wealth and power, initially acquired on the backs of peasants in their own countries, then expanded to become a world-wide operation.

The bottom line is, the elite can't think of any other way to acquire wealth. They can't think of any other ways to gain profit other than exploitation, deceit, manipulation, and war.

So, now, the West has reached a plateau, or a dead end, where there's no more land to conquer and no more people left to exploit (at least no one whose eyes aren't open and aren't resistant to and aware of the historical methods traditionally used by the West).

The liberals are trying to BS their way through and hope that no one notices, while the conservatives are ostensibly regressing and wanting to return back to a time when the West enjoyed sole primacy and hegemony over the planet. Neither side seems to really know what to do about the current situation, so they're just regurgitating out of the same familiar playbook.

 

[Estro Felino]

What seems apparent here is that the powers that be in this world can't think of anything else to do. For the past few hundred years, we've seen the West grow exponentially in terms of wealth and power, initially acquired on the backs of peasants in their own countries, then expanded to become a world-wide operation.

The bottom line is, the elite can't think of any other way to acquire wealth. They can't think of any other ways to gain profit other than exploitation, deceit, manipulation, and war.

They are old people, some of them in their nineties.
What did they gain from exploiting the nations through shady means, through minting fees, seigniorage?
Nothing.
They won't be able to take all those billions with them, in the afterlife.

So, now, the West has reached a plateau, or a dead end, where there's no more land to conquer and no more people left to exploit (at least no one whose eyes aren't open and aren't resistant to and aware of the historical methods traditionally used by the West).

A scientist in my country has demonstrated that infinite economic growth is scientifically impossible.
Professor Tozzi.

The liberals are trying to BS their way through and hope that no one notices, while the conservatives are ostensibly regressing and wanting to return back to a time when the West enjoyed sole primacy and hegemony over the planet. Neither side seems to really know what to do about the current situation, so they're just regurgitating out of the same familiar playbook.

The West is irrelevant, now.
In Europe the population growth rate is below zero.

Asia and Africa will make up the 70% of the world population...so...

 

[RestlessSoul]

I've noticed a lot of egrets, a bird native to Mediterranean wetlands, turning up at Hampstead Ponds in London. Climate change has presumably made refugees of these impressive creatures. Good luck building a wall to keep them out.

Loads of parakeets in London now too. Noisy immigrants, but very graceful and eye catching. Seems they've escaped from captivity, and bred in the wild. I wonder if Nigel Farage knows?

 

[Orbit]

I believe in a new Europe.
Many of us Europeans do. Where nations and borders are defended, and where some Sorosian associations are not allowed to interfere with the democratically elected institutions of the EU.
Plutocracy and technocracy do not belong in democratic, secular and souverainist Europe.

The truth has been exposed:

In Brussels, announced withdrawal of Soros Foundation leaves NGOs reeling

Every year, the Soros Foundation provides over €186 million in funding to a myriad of NGOs in the European Union. The position this private institution occupies in support of civil society is almost unique.

www.lemonde.fr

There will be European Parliamentary elections, and I guess people are sick and tired of the Sorosian framework imposing their pro-invasion agenda.
Since Europe is being invaded by illegals...

We also found out that the German Left uses German taxpayers' money to fund the NGOs, often promoting illegal immigration, by pushing these illegals to depart from Africa...I guess the European left-wing has been exposed.

Let's see some evidence for your assertion that George Soros is personally responsible for immigration to Europe.

 

[Stevicus]

They are old people, some of them in their nineties.
What did they gain from exploiting the nations through shady means, through minting fees, seigniorage?
Nothing.
They won't be able to take all those billions with them, in the afterlife.

I think everyone knows that they won't live forever and that you can't take it with you. Although seem to care about what kind of legacy they leave, whether it's their children's well-being or some other kind of permanent fame or honor. The idea of being remembered with some statue or plaque - or maybe having some building or park or street named after you, there might be some appeal to that.

A scientist in my country has demonstrated that infinite economic growth is scientifically impossible.
Professor Tozzi.

The Earth is finite. But our political systems and commonly-held perceptions are centuries old, formulated at a time when very little was known about our planet - and it seemed like a big, limitless, and mysterious place. "Gold, Glory, and God." A lot of people still think in these terms.

The obvious solution is that we push outward into space. We should develop FTL space travel, colonize new planets, explore strange new worlds, seek out new life and civilizations, and boldly go where no one has gone before.

But that's probably not going to happen, as what's left of humanity may be reduced to fighting over scraps in some Mad Max wasteland as climate change slowly cooks us all to death.

The West is irrelevant, now.
In Europe the population growth rate is below zero.

Asia and Africa will make up the 70% of the world population...so...

The centers of power in the world are already shifting, and the West seems to be waning in influence overall. America has turned into some kind of joke. Even the Canadians point at us and laugh.

I don't have a problem with migrants, since I recognize it's a natural flow of migration which one can find examples of throughout history. One thing about America is that we can learn to adapt, and frankly, if we share cultural ties with our neighbors to the south and treat them with fairness, justice, and respect, it can be beneficial, both economically and for our shared defensive interests. Just like there's an "EU," I don't see why we can't create an "AU" (American Union). We already have the OAS (Organization of American States), but we could forge a more integrated alliance and economic partnership. But it would have to be on equal terms, not the hegemonic relationship we've had in the past.

 

[Estro Felino]

I think everyone knows that they won't live forever and that you can't take it with you. Although seem to care about what kind of legacy they leave, whether it's their children's well-being or some other kind of permanent fame or honor. The idea of being remembered with some statue or plaque - or maybe having some building or park or street named after you, there might be some appeal to that.

What for? They don't believe in an afterlife, that's for sure, so they will not see all that.

The obvious solution is that we push outward into space. We should develop FTL space travel, colonize new planets, explore strange new worlds, seek out new life and civilizations, and boldly go where no one has gone before.

Fifty years have passed since the last landing on the moon. With this pace, we will be colonizing Mars in 2500 or in 3000.

 

[RestlessSoul]

What for? They don't believe in an afterlife, that's for sure, so they will not see all that.

Fifty years have passed since the last landing on the moon. With this pace, we will be colonizing Mars in 2500 or in 3000.

We’re not colonising Mars, ever. It has no electromagnetic field to protect it’s surface from solar winds. Nothing can live there, don’t know why anyone believes that nonsense.

We have one planet, one. It’s our duty to protect it.

 

[Estro Felino]

We’re not colonising Mars, ever. It has no electromagnetic field to protect it’s surface from solar winds. Nothing can live there, don’t know why anyone believes that nonsense.

We have one planet, one. It’s our duty to protect it.

I totally agree. Earth is to be protected..and Earth cannot host billions and billions of people...just like that.
It's not a matter of space. It's a matter of trees, arable lands, resources.
I don't understand the point in spending money on alleged "human missions on Mars" considering that it takes 6 months, if not, more, to reach that planet.
Science Fiction cinema, unfortunately, has been racking people's brain.
That's my personal opinion.

 

[Stevicus]

What for? They don't believe in an afterlife, that's for sure, so they will not see all that.

To be honest, I don't know what they believe in. But there have been those who seem to care about what kind of legacy they leave or what will be left of them after they're gone. "To ourselves and our posterity."

Fifty years have passed since the last landing on the moon. With this pace, we will be colonizing Mars in 2500 or in 3000.

We may not even get that far. Human civilization and technological achievement peaked with the Moon landings. It's been downhill ever since.

 

[Estro Felino]

I find this thread to be a pleasant breath of fresh air. It is nice to see that the US is not the only country with irrational racists. Change the EU to the US and Africa to Mexico and we have the exact same arguments that I am too used to.

You don't know what real racism and white nationalism is.
I advise you to visit Budapest. It's a beautiful city.

The difference is that almost no Hungarian is ashamed of being called a racist.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You don't know what real racism and white nationalism is.
I advise you to visit Budapest. It's a beautiful city.

The difference is that almost no Hungarian is ashamed of being called a racist.

I would need a more reliable source to believe that smear against the Hungarians.

 

[Estro Felino]

I would need a more reliable source to believe that smear against the Hungarians.

I love American people.
But I kindly invite American people not to dictate on Europe what is tellable and what is not.


Back to the Hungarians,...yes, they are white nationalists.

 

[Estro Felino]

Yeah...long live the Germans who want Germany to be Germany.